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Most people with substance abuse problems “grow out of it” with no outside help at all. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/us/articles/200405

Most people with substance abuse problems “grow out of it” with no outside help at all. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/us/articles/200405/the-surprising-truth-about-addiction-0%3famp https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/us/arti... Just from personal experience partying with lots of drugs and drinking in the rave scene when I was in my 20s and djing and promoting, the vast vast majority of people just got tired of it one day and quit — or it interferes with their jobs or their families and they did the right thing and stopped eventually. 12 steps’s entire thing about how once you’re an addict you’re going to be one for the rest of your life is just wrong.

robertAngst 8y ago
My issue is I'm extremely productive on weed. I hate alcohol, but weed makes my life, and everyone elses lives better(I run a consumer website). During my month off weed, I pretty much only wanted to relax and play video games. It seems to benefit, which makes it addicting.
- empath75 8y ago
  If you genuinely don't have negative consequences, a repetitive behavior isn't really considered an addiction. Otherwise drinking water would be an addiction. Or any hobby.
turingcompeteme 8y ago
These articles are silly, and don't understand alcoholism. They give a few examples of successful ways that people have quit on their own, and since lots of people did it that way, then it must be more effective than treatment. They miss the blindingly obvious point that every single person in treatment has already tried and failed those "self-help" ways. Treatment is a final, desperate, step for alcoholics, once all those self treatment methods have failed. You can't compare the two, and the first treatment has already failed for the second group. It's like saying Tylenol is a more effective treatment than going to the hospital, because more people get better that way. Of course they do - because they have a less serious problem.
- empath75 8y ago
  But 12 step is barely better than doing nothing at all, even in this groups.

robertAngst 8y ago

My issue is I'm extremely productive on weed. I hate alcohol, but weed makes my life, and everyone elses lives better(I run a consumer website). During my month off weed, I pretty much only wanted to relax and play video games. It seems to benefit, which makes it addicting.

empath75 8y ago
If you genuinely don't have negative consequences, a repetitive behavior isn't really considered an addiction. Otherwise drinking water would be an addiction. Or any hobby.

turingcompeteme 8y ago

These articles are silly, and don't understand alcoholism. They give a few examples of successful ways that people have quit on their own, and since lots of people did it that way, then it must be more effective than treatment. They miss the blindingly obvious point that every single person in treatment has already tried and failed those "self-help" ways. Treatment is a final, desperate, step for alcoholics, once all those self treatment methods have failed. You can't compare the two, and the first treatment has already failed for the second group. It's like saying Tylenol is a more effective treatment than going to the hospital, because more people get better that way. Of course they do - because they have a less serious problem.

empath75 8y ago
But 12 step is barely better than doing nothing at all, even in this groups.