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In the UK we do policing by consent. We aren't interested in attacking our own people. Some other countries could learn by our example. The reason he "selfishl

by hkt 8y ago

In the UK we do policing by consent. We aren't interested in attacking our own people. Some other countries could learn by our example. The reason he "selfishly" sold them, by the way, was because they were in poor condition, cost more to keep than to sell, and were actually illegal to use. It is clear to me where you get your news from, based on what you say. It is not encouraging.

nbevans 8y ago
Is the condescension really needed?
nailer 8y ago
> In the UK we do policing by consent. We aren't interested in attacking our own people. Are we interested in letting our own people be attacked? If people can loot and burn without repercussion, do you think they'll be overly concerned with bashing you or your loved ones to steal your phone? How close was your home to the riots? > It is clear to me where you get your news from, based on what you say. It is not encouraging. This was unnecessarily personal and essentially meaningless - the other poster could say the same thing about you.
- pjc50 8y ago
  Ultimately there were serious repercussions: thousands of people were arrested and jailed. https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/jul/04/riot-defendants-court-sentencing https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/jul/04/riot-d... (The policing by consent issue is very real, though. Meeting riots with escalation sounds good on the night but has long consequences.)
  - nailer 8y ago
    > Meeting riots with escalation sounds good on the night You are assuming meeting riots in any way is escalating them. The riots escalated precisely because they were not met with a response. (as a side note, although I'm not disputing anything specific in the link, The Guardian is not an objective source for riot related information - The Guardian was found to have misled the public and forced to apologise by the PCC for the misleading 'Unarmed' Duggan headline)
pjc50 8y ago
> We aren't interested in attacking our own people. There's a lot of backslapping going on here that isn't really warranted; the Met are very far from perfect when we're talking about public order policing. And that's before we get onto the subject of how policing was done in living memory in Northern Ireland.
- hkt 8y ago
  Far from perfect, but we don't water cannon, gas, or shoot our own for the most part. That is done out of principle. To suggest that the flaws of the Met mean people should get treated the way they do in America or even Europe is absurd. Northern Ireland was a war zone and pretty much still is. Think of it as occupation rather than policing and you'll grasp it better.

by hkt 8y ago

nbevans 8y ago

Is the condescension really needed?

nailer 8y ago

> In the UK we do policing by consent. We aren't interested in attacking our own people. Are we interested in letting our own people be attacked? If people can loot and burn without repercussion, do you think they'll be overly concerned with bashing you or your loved ones to steal your phone? How close was your home to the riots? > It is clear to me where you get your news from, based on what you say. It is not encouraging. This was unnecessarily personal and essentially meaningless - the other poster could say the same thing about you.

pjc50 8y ago
Ultimately there were serious repercussions: thousands of people were arrested and jailed. https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/jul/04/riot-defendants-court-sentencing https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/jul/04/riot-d... (The policing by consent issue is very real, though. Meeting riots with escalation sounds good on the night but has long consequences.)
- nailer 8y ago
  > Meeting riots with escalation sounds good on the night You are assuming meeting riots in any way is escalating them. The riots escalated precisely because they were not met with a response. (as a side note, although I'm not disputing anything specific in the link, The Guardian is not an objective source for riot related information - The Guardian was found to have misled the public and forced to apologise by the PCC for the misleading 'Unarmed' Duggan headline)

pjc50 8y ago

> We aren't interested in attacking our own people. There's a lot of backslapping going on here that isn't really warranted; the Met are very far from perfect when we're talking about public order policing. And that's before we get onto the subject of how policing was done in living memory in Northern Ireland.

hkt 8y ago
Far from perfect, but we don't water cannon, gas, or shoot our own for the most part. That is done out of principle. To suggest that the flaws of the Met mean people should get treated the way they do in America or even Europe is absurd. Northern Ireland was a war zone and pretty much still is. Think of it as occupation rather than policing and you'll grasp it better.