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We do this at a smaller scale (~1500 employees) with success. It enables everyone to work towards a goal and to discuss with their superior any issues that get

by Izmaki 8y ago

We do this at a smaller scale (~1500 employees) with success. It enables everyone to work towards a goal and to discuss with their superior any issues that get in the way, as well as every success story along the way. Both are very important parts of the journey.

aquadrop 8y ago
What goals/steps are there? Is it anything more than something like Goal: get promoted/get higher salary Steps to the goal: did my job well ?
- Izmaki 8y ago
  "Did my job well" might be one, but it's hard to measure... otherwise see above :D
- auiya 8y ago
  You essentially set arbitrary metrics for yourself (create X widgets, approve Y new hires). And then you do those things. And then you pat yourself on the back for doing those things. And then you get passed over for promotion anyway because "maybe next time". It's a way for companies to not promote you based on nits they picked with your own write-ups.
taivokasper 8y ago
Could you bring a any examples of individual goals? How are they worded for devs and how different they are from the product goals?
- Izmaki 8y ago
  It's not easy to list goals from the top of my head as it's not my strong side, and especially not if they have to be measurable (which good goals should be, rather than your boss evaluating whether or not you did something), but here goes: Goals could be "Pick up language X in order to help development on project Y" or "Get formally introduced to all R&D team leaders, and get introduced to their roadmaps" or "Facilitate 10 job interviews together with team leaders in marketing"
  - taivokasper 8y ago
    Thank you. I asked because in the previous company I worked for we had difficulties setting measurable goals for devs and ended up tracking only product goals.
    - sjg007 8y ago
      Product can be highly variable (or uncertain) so dev goals would focus on skills necessary to achieve said product. Ideally these skills a general and transferrable. Have you ever read a white paper? You see how they manage to say that the product will solve every problem you have and nothing specific at all? Same idea.

by Izmaki 8y ago

aquadrop 8y ago

What goals/steps are there? Is it anything more than something like Goal: get promoted/get higher salary Steps to the goal: did my job well ?

Izmaki 8y ago
"Did my job well" might be one, but it's hard to measure... otherwise see above :D
auiya 8y ago
You essentially set arbitrary metrics for yourself (create X widgets, approve Y new hires). And then you do those things. And then you pat yourself on the back for doing those things. And then you get passed over for promotion anyway because "maybe next time". It's a way for companies to not promote you based on nits they picked with your own write-ups.

taivokasper 8y ago

Could you bring a any examples of individual goals? How are they worded for devs and how different they are from the product goals?

Izmaki 8y ago
It's not easy to list goals from the top of my head as it's not my strong side, and especially not if they have to be measurable (which good goals should be, rather than your boss evaluating whether or not you did something), but here goes: Goals could be "Pick up language X in order to help development on project Y" or "Get formally introduced to all R&D team leaders, and get introduced to their roadmaps" or "Facilitate 10 job interviews together with team leaders in marketing"
- taivokasper 8y ago
  Thank you. I asked because in the previous company I worked for we had difficulties setting measurable goals for devs and ended up tracking only product goals.
  - sjg007 8y ago
    Product can be highly variable (or uncertain) so dev goals would focus on skills necessary to achieve said product. Ideally these skills a general and transferrable. Have you ever read a white paper? You see how they manage to say that the product will solve every problem you have and nothing specific at all? Same idea.