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I suppose that organizing or participating in a public assembly without a police permit is illegal more or less everywhere in the world. The question is whethe

by gioele 8y ago

I suppose that organizing or participating in a public assembly without a police permit is illegal more or less everywhere in the world. The question is whether "the Internet" is a public place or not. Case in point: Italy. A) According to article 18 of the consolidated act on public security (TULPS) it is mandatory to inform the police whenever a gathering is organized in a "public place" [1]. B) the Corte di cassazione (the Italian supreme court) has repeatedly stated that public websites are equivalent to public places [2]. Exercise for the reader: draw the consequences of combining A and B. [1] «I promotori di una riunione in luogo pubblico o aperto al pubblico devono darne avviso, almeno tre giorni prima, al Questore. E’ considerata pubblica anche una riunione, che, sebbene indetta in forma privata, tuttavia per il luogo in cui sarà tenuta, o per il numero delle persone che dovranno intervenirvi, o per lo scopo o l'oggetto di essa, ha carattere di riunione non privata.» http://www.normattiva.it/uri-res/N2Ls?urn:nir:stato:regio.decreto:1931-06-18;773!vig= http://www.normattiva.it/uri-res/N2Ls?urn:nir:stato:regio.de... [2] https://www.lastampa.it/2014/11/17/italia/molestie-cosa-rientra-nel-concetto-di-luogo-aperto-al-pubblico-zbnxRf0N26LRUQkPRcz8hL/pagina.html https://www.lastampa.it/2014/11/17/italia/molestie-cosa-rien...

zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC 8y ago
> A) According to article 18 of the consolidated act on public security (TULPS) it is mandatory to inform the police whenever a gathering is organized in a "public place" [1]. That says nothing about a permit being required.
mschuster91 8y ago
I suppose that organizing or participating in a public assembly without a police permit is illegal more or less everywhere in the world. In Germany, per the Versammlungsgesetz'e of the federal states as well as the federal Versammlungsgesetz that applies to all states without one, you do not need a permit for an assembly, you only have to notify the police or Ordnungsamt (part of city government) 48h in advance of public announcement. This is actually meant as a direct departure from the Third Reich policy where permits were required. If the police deems your assembly a danger to the public or unable to be held as notified (e.g. when you want to hold an assembly on an Autobahn or other major street, or in security zones during foreign state visits) they can either forbid the assembly in its entirety (which is very rare) or modify the time/location (e.g. not on the Autobahn but on a parking lot, or directly outside the security zone). In this case the assembly initiator can go to the courts and initiate emergency hearings, which sometimes (e.g. with the G20 Hamburg protests) can go up to the Bundesverfassungsgericht (our Supreme Court equivalent).

by gioele 8y ago

zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC 8y ago

> A) According to article 18 of the consolidated act on public security (TULPS) it is mandatory to inform the police whenever a gathering is organized in a "public place" [1]. That says nothing about a permit being required.

mschuster91 8y ago

I suppose that organizing or participating in a public assembly without a police permit is illegal more or less everywhere in the world. In Germany, per the Versammlungsgesetz'e of the federal states as well as the federal Versammlungsgesetz that applies to all states without one, you do not need a permit for an assembly, you only have to notify the police or Ordnungsamt (part of city government) 48h in advance of public announcement. This is actually meant as a direct departure from the Third Reich policy where permits were required. If the police deems your assembly a danger to the public or unable to be held as notified (e.g. when you want to hold an assembly on an Autobahn or other major street, or in security zones during foreign state visits) they can either forbid the assembly in its entirety (which is very rare) or modify the time/location (e.g. not on the Autobahn but on a parking lot, or directly outside the security zone). In this case the assembly initiator can go to the courts and initiate emergency hearings, which sometimes (e.g. with the G20 Hamburg protests) can go up to the Bundesverfassungsgericht (our Supreme Court equivalent).