> Anti growth is propably the worst argument. It will litterally give you the effects of the most catastrophic interpretation of climate change before it has ev

> Anti growth is propably the worst argument. It will litterally give you the effects of the most catastrophic interpretation of climate change before it has even happened. How literally? > You don't want to halt growth, that would surely be suicide. How surely suicide? > or turn things that aren't currently resources into resources So the solution to humanity using too much energy is to expand more energy to use up more of the resources? > It's not like earth gives us resources, we have to find ways to turn them into resources such as oil uranium etc Seriously, we only have resources from earth, and energy from the sun (some volcanic / thermal). Where else do we get the resources from? Moon? All resources we have are dug from earth, and refined by using energy. > If you don't grow you will live in a world that might as well be the catastrophe. I am not going to be supporting that. Again, I am talking here about long term view, like next few centuries. For how long can we sustain same growth rate as we did last 200 years? How long before something gives? This is irrelevant to global warming, we just can't have indefinite 2% growth. Period. There are some things that we can do to stave off problems for a few centuries: 1) less wasteful food production, currently humans+cows+pigs represent 96% of all mammalian biomass, 40% of grain produced is fed to livestock -- solution: meat grown in test tubes and vats, this should release some of wasted land on agriculture back to wilderness. 2) proper atom cycle, currently we destroy environment to get atoms (say cut forest / dig metal), and then destroy environment to hide them (landfills) -- solution: Complete recycling of all we use as either composting and fertilizing or back to re-manufacturing 3) finding ways to use energy without generating heat on earth -- solution: space robots with large surface areas that allow them to cool, and do work. All of these are things we can do, but they are short gap solution. A century or two at best. Seriously, take a calculator and tell me, how many years is 2% growth sustainable for before we are counting individual atoms on earth?