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Similarly, I find it awkward when creators email me about secret stuff only available to patrons. The magic is that your stuff is free! I don’t want to be incen

Similarly, I find it awkward when creators email me about secret stuff only available to patrons. The magic is that your stuff is free! I don’t want to be incentivising this. The free content led me to donate in the first place. The only way to achieve this is to donate so little, you don’t get any access to secret material. Patreon defeats the purpose of Patreon.

mikker 8y ago
Never thought about it that way but I see your point! Patreon is a nice service and I use it to give back to several projects. But I don't use any of the things (I suppose) I get in return.
r3bl 8y ago
Fair point! As a creator thinking about creating a Patreon presence, I wouldn't have realized this. How would you feel if the content is still free, but you get a sneak peek at it a bit earlier? I'm currently considering postponing all the schedules I have for seven days, and offering content a week earlier to those who pay. In my mind, that sounds good: the content I create is still free, while there's still an incentive for the consumers to support its creation.
- Zekio 8y ago
  This is actually how a lot of content creators do it
dpau 8y ago
Completely agree! Patreon misses the point of Patreon. I guess people are more likely to become patrons if there's some reward, and Patreon wants to encourage growth. But in doing so they are creating an environment where there's an expectation that we, the creators, spend precious time making special, walled-off content when the whole point of my needing Patreon is because my content is free. Besides the irony of the situation, I'm too busy also making content for other social media in order to promote my work. Please make it stop!
- PopeDotNinja 8y ago
  That's an interesting idea. I watch videos, and I don't mind videos that promote their Patreon page and/or other member exclusive benefits. They are free to make videos how ever they like, but I wonder is promoting member exclusive content actually undermines their success. For example, in this SciShow video => https://youtu.be/fsS6d4byK4A?t=143 https://youtu.be/fsS6d4byK4A?t=143 - make free content, get free viewers - promote Patreon to viewers, get patrons - promote premium content to free viewers, alienate free viewers - lose free viewers, shrink pool of potential patrons I guess some pitches are more invasive than others.
  - glandium 8y ago
    Here's a counter example: https://m.youtube.com/user/Dogen https://m.youtube.com/user/Dogen He does what could be described as stand up comedy around the japanese language. And his patreon has comprehensive japanese pronunciation and intonation lessons. https://www.patreon.com/dogen https://www.patreon.com/dogen They're different but related things with different but overlapping audience.

mikker 8y ago

Never thought about it that way but I see your point! Patreon is a nice service and I use it to give back to several projects. But I don't use any of the things (I suppose) I get in return.

r3bl 8y ago

Fair point! As a creator thinking about creating a Patreon presence, I wouldn't have realized this. How would you feel if the content is still free, but you get a sneak peek at it a bit earlier? I'm currently considering postponing all the schedules I have for seven days, and offering content a week earlier to those who pay. In my mind, that sounds good: the content I create is still free, while there's still an incentive for the consumers to support its creation.

Zekio 8y ago
This is actually how a lot of content creators do it

dpau 8y ago

Completely agree! Patreon misses the point of Patreon. I guess people are more likely to become patrons if there's some reward, and Patreon wants to encourage growth. But in doing so they are creating an environment where there's an expectation that we, the creators, spend precious time making special, walled-off content when the whole point of my needing Patreon is because my content is free. Besides the irony of the situation, I'm too busy also making content for other social media in order to promote my work. Please make it stop!

PopeDotNinja 8y ago
That's an interesting idea. I watch videos, and I don't mind videos that promote their Patreon page and/or other member exclusive benefits. They are free to make videos how ever they like, but I wonder is promoting member exclusive content actually undermines their success. For example, in this SciShow video => https://youtu.be/fsS6d4byK4A?t=143 https://youtu.be/fsS6d4byK4A?t=143 - make free content, get free viewers - promote Patreon to viewers, get patrons - promote premium content to free viewers, alienate free viewers - lose free viewers, shrink pool of potential patrons I guess some pitches are more invasive than others.
- glandium 8y ago
  Here's a counter example: https://m.youtube.com/user/Dogen https://m.youtube.com/user/Dogen He does what could be described as stand up comedy around the japanese language. And his patreon has comprehensive japanese pronunciation and intonation lessons. https://www.patreon.com/dogen https://www.patreon.com/dogen They're different but related things with different but overlapping audience.