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Alternative title: "Hitting yourself in the head with a hammer, because it feels so great when you stop."

chrisseaton 8y ago
What's wrong with trying something out to see if it's ready yet? You're making it sound like it's stupid to even see if something works.
- flukus 8y ago
  > What's wrong with trying something out to see if it's ready yet? It will never be ready, it's the wrong tool for the job. Trying to use the wrong tool for the job is stupid, do you routinely try to hammer nails with a screwdriver to see if it's ready yet?
  - chrisseaton 8y ago
    My screwdriver never changes. The iPad is an ever-evolving tool. It may become the right tool one day.
  - ddoolin 8y ago
    It works just fine right now, depending on what you're trying to do. I learned and continue to practice Rust development via my iPad Pro near daily.
  - delinka 8y ago
    Hammers, nails, and screws a pretty much set. They're not changing regularly. An iPad becoming a laptop-replacement is happening - its progress is debatable, but it's definitely changing on each iteration.
    - flukus 8y ago
      > Hammers, nails, and screws a pretty much set. Laptops, tablets, code and keyboards are pretty much set, they're not changing regularly. To code comfortably you need a keyboard, that's the tool for the job and one that tablets do not have. Sure you can add an external one, but then you've basically got a locked down laptop. Just look at the the comments here, at best the iPad seems to be capable of acting as a dumb terminal to interact with a keyboard for a remote server, I wouldn't consider that coding on an iPad.
      - delinka 8y ago
        Looks like you're intentionally missing the point. The iPad is a tablet, and yes, it's functionality is changing every iteration - slightly with hardware, more so with the OS. Currently the iPad might not seem capable of much wrt programming, but it is changing. Therefore someone tests it out periodically. And you don't have to like it. It doesn't have to be you testing the thing out. You're completely free to live an iPad-free life.
    - cageface 8y ago
      If anything it feels like it's becoming clear that iOS is not going to be a viable OSX replacement for most professional use cases without a huge bump up in complexity. At which point you have to wonder why bother with it at all? Microsoft seems to have a much clearer vision here and anecdotally I know quite a few people that have been Mac users for ages that have given up on iPads and bought Surface devices because they can use them to do real work.
      - ddoolin 8y ago
        I actually agree with you and others pitching Microsoft products as a better replacement for this sort of thing, for sure. I use the iPad Pro because I already had it, having purchased it for a different reason entirely. My only gripe with a Surface product would be the Windows part of it, which isn't THAT bad and like you said, they have a pretty clear vision for the future of it.
        lh7777 8y ago
        I switched from a MacBook to a Surface Pro (i5) maybe a year ago and just finished switching back to the same MacBook. I agree that Microsoft's vision for pro users is much clearer than Apple's, which is why I switched in the first place. The Surface hardware is solid for the most part, the Surface Dock is great, the pen is occasionally useful, and I really like being able to rip off the keyboard and use it as a tablet for reading instead of carrying another device. But between missing the craftsmanship of indie Mac apps and putting up with the general flakiness of Windows, I finally gave up on the Surface. Now maybe it would've helped if I got the i7 Surface (& 16 gb RAM) and just put up with the resulting fan noise (or went with the Surface Book instead), but I think it says something about the state of Windows that my 1.3 GHz Core M MacBook is smoother and more reliable than a Surface Pro that's 3 years newer and has double the clock speed.
        cageface 8y ago
        Microsoft really needs to win back developer mindshare. They're doing a lot of things correctly now but they've lost a lot of ground over the years.
kristianov 8y ago
Without those who hit their heads with hammer at times, we won't know if it feels great or not.

What's wrong with trying something out to see if it's ready yet? You're making it sound like it's stupid to even see if something works.

flukus 8y ago
> What's wrong with trying something out to see if it's ready yet? It will never be ready, it's the wrong tool for the job. Trying to use the wrong tool for the job is stupid, do you routinely try to hammer nails with a screwdriver to see if it's ready yet?
- chrisseaton 8y ago
  My screwdriver never changes. The iPad is an ever-evolving tool. It may become the right tool one day.
- ddoolin 8y ago
  It works just fine right now, depending on what you're trying to do. I learned and continue to practice Rust development via my iPad Pro near daily.
- delinka 8y ago
  Hammers, nails, and screws a pretty much set. They're not changing regularly. An iPad becoming a laptop-replacement is happening - its progress is debatable, but it's definitely changing on each iteration.
  - flukus 8y ago
    > Hammers, nails, and screws a pretty much set. Laptops, tablets, code and keyboards are pretty much set, they're not changing regularly. To code comfortably you need a keyboard, that's the tool for the job and one that tablets do not have. Sure you can add an external one, but then you've basically got a locked down laptop. Just look at the the comments here, at best the iPad seems to be capable of acting as a dumb terminal to interact with a keyboard for a remote server, I wouldn't consider that coding on an iPad.
    - delinka 8y ago
      Looks like you're intentionally missing the point. The iPad is a tablet, and yes, it's functionality is changing every iteration - slightly with hardware, more so with the OS. Currently the iPad might not seem capable of much wrt programming, but it is changing. Therefore someone tests it out periodically. And you don't have to like it. It doesn't have to be you testing the thing out. You're completely free to live an iPad-free life.
  - cageface 8y ago
    If anything it feels like it's becoming clear that iOS is not going to be a viable OSX replacement for most professional use cases without a huge bump up in complexity. At which point you have to wonder why bother with it at all? Microsoft seems to have a much clearer vision here and anecdotally I know quite a few people that have been Mac users for ages that have given up on iPads and bought Surface devices because they can use them to do real work.
    - ddoolin 8y ago
      I actually agree with you and others pitching Microsoft products as a better replacement for this sort of thing, for sure. I use the iPad Pro because I already had it, having purchased it for a different reason entirely. My only gripe with a Surface product would be the Windows part of it, which isn't THAT bad and like you said, they have a pretty clear vision for the future of it.
      - lh7777 8y ago
        I switched from a MacBook to a Surface Pro (i5) maybe a year ago and just finished switching back to the same MacBook. I agree that Microsoft's vision for pro users is much clearer than Apple's, which is why I switched in the first place. The Surface hardware is solid for the most part, the Surface Dock is great, the pen is occasionally useful, and I really like being able to rip off the keyboard and use it as a tablet for reading instead of carrying another device. But between missing the craftsmanship of indie Mac apps and putting up with the general flakiness of Windows, I finally gave up on the Surface. Now maybe it would've helped if I got the i7 Surface (& 16 gb RAM) and just put up with the resulting fan noise (or went with the Surface Book instead), but I think it says something about the state of Windows that my 1.3 GHz Core M MacBook is smoother and more reliable than a Surface Pro that's 3 years newer and has double the clock speed.
        cageface 8y ago
        Microsoft really needs to win back developer mindshare. They're doing a lot of things correctly now but they've lost a lot of ground over the years.

kristianov 8y ago

Without those who hit their heads with hammer at times, we won't know if it feels great or not.