>The German subways I've ridden manage to be reasonably smooth and quiet. That's probably more about good soundproofing for inside the train. But even in Tokyo

>The German subways I've ridden manage to be reasonably smooth and quiet. That's probably more about good soundproofing for inside the train. But even in Tokyo I found the trains to be rather loud. >I guess you've never ridden a bus in a city. I ride one every morning, usually standing. It hasn't been a problem and I actually find our subway trains to be more prone to hard stops and starts. Intra-city buses rarely exceed 30 miles an hour anyway. I usually feel bad for the elderly, the injured, and the pregnant because it actually can be hard for them if they're stuck standing. But my ire is usually reserved for people who fail to give up their seats rather than the concept of riding a bus.