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But that's exactly the problem -- local governments are powerless. They can't fix the BQE due to opposition from Brooklyn Heights community groups. Can't build
by mancerayder 8y ago
But that's exactly the problem -- local governments are powerless. They can't fix the BQE due to opposition from Brooklyn Heights community groups. Can't build skyscrapers south of Atlantic Terminal because they'd be too close to the community gardens. Can't redevelop lower Manhattan because everything between Houston and 30th is a "historical building".
These are all valid concerns but taken together and they prevent anything from getting done. Good intentions, bad results.
As someone who follows closely the real estate press news and has some sense of zoning controversies (and for what it's worth own a building), I think your comment is full of hyperbole and false commentary.
There's massive development at the new "Essex Crossing" in the LES. There's massive development at Atlantic Terminal at the edge of downtown Brooklyn / Cobble Hill. Along Broadway in Brooklyn, in between the Bushwick and Bed Stuy border, tons of development. "Broadway Triangle", at the bottom of Williamsburg, tons of development. 1000 units coming online on Flushing Ave at the border of Bushwick and Williamsburg. Everything I just said is not "low density housing". It's medium and high density.
Astor Pl and along Bowery has existing construction, and even more planned! Hudson Yards..
I could go on and on but your comment is hugely misinformed. The controversies in NYC around "NIMBYism" are NOT the same as California, with ideas around single-family homes and such.
Suggested media sources in the future:
therealdeal.com
newyorkyimby.com
ny.curbed.com
Finally, density comes at a price. When those people leave their high density housing, where do you think they go? When they take a shit and flush the toilet, where do you think that goes?
The density has made much of Brooklyn a nightmare commute as it is -- it takes a year to build a 12 story or whatever building, but it takes decades to upgrade our shoddy infrastructure.
- ng12 8y ago> There's massive development at the new "Essex Crossing" in the LES. There's massive development at Atlantic Terminal at the edge of downtown Brooklyn / Cobble Hill. Along Broadway in Brooklyn, in between the Bushwick and Bed Stuy border, tons of development. "Broadway Triangle", at the bottom of Williamsburg, tons of development. 1000 units coming online on Flushing Ave at the border of Bushwick and Williamsburg. You know what the common theme here is? They're all poor or working class neighborhoods without the political organization to fight back against redevelopment. You know the only reason that they would bend over for the L is because of the trendy Williamsburg $$$.
- drugme 8y agoYou know what the common theme here is? The only common theme I see here is that you never seem to acknowledge the gaping flaws people have identified in the arguments you're making. Instead you just keep changing the subject.
- mancerayder 8y agoEssex Crossing and Atlantic Terminal are poor? There's no political will? There's political will for affordable housing, which is related to housing density. Hence the zoning changes are attached to below-market rates for 20-30% of the newly-built units. Next there's plenty of political organization with varying opinions - some want more, some want less of this development. It's all trending towards more. Most of the stuff being redeveloped is re-zoning to residential to something that wasn't. Pfizer for Broadway Triangle, Rheingold in the case of that project, Essex Crossing was empty lots, Pacific Park unused / commercial stuff... I'm done replying piecemeal to someone's emotive factual errors. I sent you some links in my previous comment to explore. I don't do "Reddit" style emotive discussions.
- ng12 8y ago> Essex Crossing and Atlantic Terminal are poor? Yes? Essex Crossing is right near the LES NYCHA and was not at all a nice area until very recently. Furthermore, saying "Atlantic Terminal" is misleading -- they're not developing Fort Greene and Park Slope but that messiness up towards Fulton. > I don't do "Reddit" style emotive discussions. That's fine, although this is a forum for discussion. I'm not sure what you want here.
- bradleyjg 8y agoThe way forward is to fix the problems, mostly corruption and might-as-well-be-corruption, that lead to NYC being the single worst place on the planet for public works projects. Not to throw up our hands and stop building.
- drugme 8y agoNYC being the single worst place on the planet for public works projects. I'm not sure what the way forward is, and I wouldn't begin to know how to fix the corruption problem. But I do know that blatant hyperbole like the above can't possibly begin to help.
- bradleyjg 8y agoNo rail project anywhere has spent even close to what the MTA is spending per km on either the second avenue subway or east side access. I suppose you could say somewhere like Syria is worse because they can't even try, but it seems a pretty defensible statement.
- drugme 8y agoNo rail project anywhere has spent even close to what the MTA is spending per km Eyeballing figures for certain other modern projects in comparable cities readily indicates this simply isn't true.