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The MTA doesn’t do this because people actually depend on the subway at night. Getting around London after the underground is shut is incredibly inconvenient,

by irq11 8y ago

The MTA doesn’t do this because people actually depend on the subway at night. Getting around London after the underground is shut is incredibly inconvenient, and even they have been moving the most important trains to all-night service.

ggm 8y ago
Yes, but maybe convenience has to suffer? What (for example) if a monthly shutdown happened? Is there any model of regular maintenance outage you could "countenance" instead of just saying "but that is inconvenient so it shouldn't happen"? What if it was done one line at a time weekly? Seriously: do you think there is no model worth exploring here?
- reaperducer 8y ago
  Yes, but maybe convenience has to suffer? So, no buttered roll for you on the way to work in the morning because the bakery staff couldn't get to work at night. The bodega on the corner is closed anyway because the morning people have to do the stock because it the overnight staff couldn't get in. Garbage trucks block your way because the garbagemen couldn't get to work overnight. There's no morning news because the thousands of people behind the scenes couldn't get to work over night. The cleaning crew in your office vacuums while you're on the phone because they couldn't get to work at night. There are hundreds of thousands of people who work overnight in New York City. Nine-to-five stopped happening in New York in the late 1700's.
  - ggm 8y ago
    And yet people live in London and Paris and lots of other cities without 24h tubes 365. Seriously: you cannot conceive of a night service using buses? That's how Melbourne works around tram and train failures. Your examples are not convincing.
  - atombender 8y ago
    You do realize that the L was closed every weeknight (22:45 to 05:00) as well every weekend, from circa Oct 15 through Nov 30 last year [1]? And yet people got their bread and newspapers, and the world did not go under. Comments like yours are hysterical hyperbole. For the record, the JMZ are running close enough to the L that, while an inconvenience, for many people in the Williamsburg/Bushwick/Ridgewood area, it is a viable alternative. The L isn't everything. [1] https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.gothamist.com/amp/articles/create%3farticle_id=5bc75d006933a90001c36708 https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.gothamist.com/amp/articles/...

by irq11 8y ago

ggm 8y ago

Yes, but maybe convenience has to suffer? What (for example) if a monthly shutdown happened? Is there any model of regular maintenance outage you could "countenance" instead of just saying "but that is inconvenient so it shouldn't happen"? What if it was done one line at a time weekly? Seriously: do you think there is no model worth exploring here?

reaperducer 8y ago
Yes, but maybe convenience has to suffer? So, no buttered roll for you on the way to work in the morning because the bakery staff couldn't get to work at night. The bodega on the corner is closed anyway because the morning people have to do the stock because it the overnight staff couldn't get in. Garbage trucks block your way because the garbagemen couldn't get to work overnight. There's no morning news because the thousands of people behind the scenes couldn't get to work over night. The cleaning crew in your office vacuums while you're on the phone because they couldn't get to work at night. There are hundreds of thousands of people who work overnight in New York City. Nine-to-five stopped happening in New York in the late 1700's.
- ggm 8y ago
  And yet people live in London and Paris and lots of other cities without 24h tubes 365. Seriously: you cannot conceive of a night service using buses? That's how Melbourne works around tram and train failures. Your examples are not convincing.
- atombender 8y ago
  You do realize that the L was closed every weeknight (22:45 to 05:00) as well every weekend, from circa Oct 15 through Nov 30 last year [1]? And yet people got their bread and newspapers, and the world did not go under. Comments like yours are hysterical hyperbole. For the record, the JMZ are running close enough to the L that, while an inconvenience, for many people in the Williamsburg/Bushwick/Ridgewood area, it is a viable alternative. The L isn't everything. [1] https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.gothamist.com/amp/articles/create%3farticle_id=5bc75d006933a90001c36708 https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.gothamist.com/amp/articles/...