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In actuality, all of his subjects resisted to some degree at some point. The crucial point is that most kept going after only a few verbal suggestions. The tra

by GHFigs 16y ago

In actuality, all of his subjects resisted to some degree at some point. The crucial point is that most kept going after only a few verbal suggestions. The transcript here is misleading. You might come away with the impression that it was what the subject said or did that ended the experiment, but it is actually the experimenter who halts it because the subject is still resisting after the fourth of four specifically worded orders. The experiment does not simply go on until the subject complies or walks away--they need only resist up to a certain point for the experiment to end. Real authority figures are not so bound.

JoeAltmaier 16y ago
And these subjects had not been conditioned by years of authoritarian leadership. These subjects were free people raised in a culture of hero-worship of dissenters and free-thinkers.
- rdtsc 16y ago
  > a culture of hero-worship of dissenters and free-thinkers. But those heros are now "offical" heroes. They are not the disruptors and terrorists the possibly were back in the day. So many grow up with the idea that heroes are "heroes" if you learn about them in school, or if they are wearing the badge and obidiently "do their job".
- jbooth 16y ago
  Speak for yourself, we may not be anywhere close to fascism, but I see a whole lot of hero-worship of "real americans" and not a ton of most people fitting the classic free-thinker model these days.
  - JoeAltmaier 16y ago
    ...and there you are! A free-thinker, posting on a public web forum, using (almost) their real name to suggest a view opposite to a common view. Unthinkable in a fascist state.
    - jbooth 16y ago
      Eh, focus on the trends. Artists and scientists are the first to be demonized, and that's happening to some degree -- probably not enough to be noteworthy or anymore than the domestic right in any situation demonizes them, but it's worth keeping an eye on. If it could happen in the Germany of Liebniz, Mozart and Kant then it could happen anywhere.

by GHFigs 16y ago

JoeAltmaier 16y ago

And these subjects had not been conditioned by years of authoritarian leadership. These subjects were free people raised in a culture of hero-worship of dissenters and free-thinkers.

rdtsc 16y ago
> a culture of hero-worship of dissenters and free-thinkers. But those heros are now "offical" heroes. They are not the disruptors and terrorists the possibly were back in the day. So many grow up with the idea that heroes are "heroes" if you learn about them in school, or if they are wearing the badge and obidiently "do their job".
jbooth 16y ago
Speak for yourself, we may not be anywhere close to fascism, but I see a whole lot of hero-worship of "real americans" and not a ton of most people fitting the classic free-thinker model these days.
- JoeAltmaier 16y ago
  ...and there you are! A free-thinker, posting on a public web forum, using (almost) their real name to suggest a view opposite to a common view. Unthinkable in a fascist state.
  - jbooth 16y ago
    Eh, focus on the trends. Artists and scientists are the first to be demonized, and that's happening to some degree -- probably not enough to be noteworthy or anymore than the domestic right in any situation demonizes them, but it's worth keeping an eye on. If it could happen in the Germany of Liebniz, Mozart and Kant then it could happen anywhere.