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Hand-wringing about cyber war aside, the question that really needs answered is: what paradigm shift needs to happen before breaches stop being depressingly com

by na85 8y ago

Hand-wringing about cyber war aside, the question that really needs answered is: what paradigm shift needs to happen before breaches stop being depressingly common, and why isn't that shift happening?

ianai 8y ago
End passwords and the practice of email as an authoritative control. I’m thinking single purpose password token systems. Email just needs to be replaced by an entirely new, engineered for authority and privacy* from the grounds up communication protocol. Edit-Also, a democratically managed whitelisting system. Something that home routers could use as a source of authority on classifications of IPs. Ie literally no way to masquerade a darknet resource as a whitelisted resource. Edit two: added privacy to email replacement.
forgottenpass 8y ago
>what paradigm shift needs to happen before breaches stop being depressingly common, Reduce the value of a breach. That is to say: minimize the records kept, minimize the amount of correlation that can be done between multiple sets of records (both internally and across multiple parties), minimize the damage a user can do to themselves or others at every single level of authorization. >and why isn't that shift happening? A subject's anonymity and independence are all antithetical to the system's profitability (and often to ease of development). Finally: no one can steal surveillance records that don't exist. Maybe we think about ending the ubiquitous surveillance of the US population?
danielrm26 8y ago
You have to either make the benefit too low, or the cost too high of doing the attacks. And I don't think we're close to doing either in the case of China.
diplo24 8y ago
Really simple, there needs to be a cold war-mentality cultural shift in America. People need to ostracize their friends who are pro-China, and politicians need to know that they have the unanimous support of the people before we begin to defend and reorient ourselves (certainly on many different levels). Unfortunately, a fair amount of businessmen and a handful of billionaires have business interests in China (while our middle class has a knife twisted into its back), and push pro-China anti-trade war propaganda through the various media outlets that they own, like WaP, NYT, Economist, Financial Times, and so many reasonably intelligent people are deceived into believing that is a fallacy to oppose China, blasting you with sophistic comparisons like the Thucydides Trap. Also, in 2018, we had the unfortunate problem of the Democrats rabidly opposing the trade war, because they believed it to be of their advantage to make Trump look like a fool for engaging in it and against China, while informing people that Russia is the true enemy and that Trump is complicit with them. However, now that the election is over, I think that will die down and their will be bipartisan action. If and only when the people are united against China will there be a stand, although that may not come to pass until things are too late - our culture is more interested in noble virtue signaling and Marvel movies
- ogn3rd 8y ago
  Except our government leaders are in bed with the enemy. How do we fix that?
  - diplo24 8y ago
    I'm not really sure what you're talking about. If you're referring to the president, I don't really think Trump is the Manchurian candidate or a slave to Saudi Arabia or anything like that and I think most people who seriously believe that crap, outside of small talk, are not that bright. Feinstein has had several very questionable ties to China . In another era, she would have been investigated and tried for treason. Other than that, I am not aware of any legitimate conspiracies of politicians on either side of the aisle with strong ties to China, but if you can link me to anything legitimate I'm interested. I think the media and wealthy business interests are almost solely to blame.
- Paraesthetic 8y ago
  This! Diplo for president

by na85 8y ago

ianai 8y ago

End passwords and the practice of email as an authoritative control. I’m thinking single purpose password token systems. Email just needs to be replaced by an entirely new, engineered for authority and privacy* from the grounds up communication protocol. Edit-Also, a democratically managed whitelisting system. Something that home routers could use as a source of authority on classifications of IPs. Ie literally no way to masquerade a darknet resource as a whitelisted resource. Edit two: added privacy to email replacement.

forgottenpass 8y ago

>what paradigm shift needs to happen before breaches stop being depressingly common, Reduce the value of a breach. That is to say: minimize the records kept, minimize the amount of correlation that can be done between multiple sets of records (both internally and across multiple parties), minimize the damage a user can do to themselves or others at every single level of authorization. >and why isn't that shift happening? A subject's anonymity and independence are all antithetical to the system's profitability (and often to ease of development). Finally: no one can steal surveillance records that don't exist. Maybe we think about ending the ubiquitous surveillance of the US population?

danielrm26 8y ago

You have to either make the benefit too low, or the cost too high of doing the attacks. And I don't think we're close to doing either in the case of China.

diplo24 8y ago

Really simple, there needs to be a cold war-mentality cultural shift in America. People need to ostracize their friends who are pro-China, and politicians need to know that they have the unanimous support of the people before we begin to defend and reorient ourselves (certainly on many different levels). Unfortunately, a fair amount of businessmen and a handful of billionaires have business interests in China (while our middle class has a knife twisted into its back), and push pro-China anti-trade war propaganda through the various media outlets that they own, like WaP, NYT, Economist, Financial Times, and so many reasonably intelligent people are deceived into believing that is a fallacy to oppose China, blasting you with sophistic comparisons like the Thucydides Trap. Also, in 2018, we had the unfortunate problem of the Democrats rabidly opposing the trade war, because they believed it to be of their advantage to make Trump look like a fool for engaging in it and against China, while informing people that Russia is the true enemy and that Trump is complicit with them. However, now that the election is over, I think that will die down and their will be bipartisan action. If and only when the people are united against China will there be a stand, although that may not come to pass until things are too late - our culture is more interested in noble virtue signaling and Marvel movies

ogn3rd 8y ago
Except our government leaders are in bed with the enemy. How do we fix that?
- diplo24 8y ago
  I'm not really sure what you're talking about. If you're referring to the president, I don't really think Trump is the Manchurian candidate or a slave to Saudi Arabia or anything like that and I think most people who seriously believe that crap, outside of small talk, are not that bright. Feinstein has had several very questionable ties to China . In another era, she would have been investigated and tried for treason. Other than that, I am not aware of any legitimate conspiracies of politicians on either side of the aisle with strong ties to China, but if you can link me to anything legitimate I'm interested. I think the media and wealthy business interests are almost solely to blame.
Paraesthetic 8y ago
This! Diplo for president