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That's going to backfire, though. The Scottish seem to think that when seceding from a Union is a legitimate option, and if a referendum can trigger a secessio

That's going to backfire, though. The Scottish seem to think that when seceding from a Union is a legitimate option, and if a referendum can trigger a secession from the European Union, then, well, what about those 1707 Acts of Union with England? I believe this will happen come April, and that the current pro-brexit crowd will promptly label it undemocratic and unpatriotic - after all, breaking free from the yoke of Brussels is Something Completely Different than rejecting the friendly rule of Westminster. Right? Madness, I tell you, with only more madness in sight.

spuz 8y ago
To give more detail on this issue: If we were to accept May's deal as it was in December, the UK would leave the EU but remain entirely within the custom's union. Afterwards, plans would be made for NI to stay within the custom's union and the rest of the UK to leave. However, there is a term in the 1800 amendment of the the 1707 Acts of Union that says: “that in all treaties made by his Majesty, his heirs, and successors, with any foreign power, his Majesty’s subjects of Ireland shall have the same privileges, and be on the same footing as his Majesty’s subjects of Great Britain.” If this term is broken, it reverts all the countries of the UK back to individual states - i.e. Scotland would be independent by default and there is a good chance they would not vote for an amendment to the Acts of Union because they would prefer to stay in the EU. That leaves politicians with two options: Either keep the UK in the custom's union indefinitely, or break up the United Kingdom. https://www.thenational.scot/news/16989865.this-is-why-westminsters-choice-is-between-brexit-and-the-union/ https://www.thenational.scot/news/16989865.this-is-why-westm...
- Piskvorrr 8y ago
  That, too. I don't see any deal as likely, however - Tories seem to be steering for a hard Brexit, and Labour only presents token effort against. Hard Brexit forecast, with showers of martial law likely.
  - spuz 8y ago
    By hard Brexit, do you mean "no-deal"? Because they are very different things. I think no-deal is looking like the most likely outcome at the moment. I can't see any chance of the tories putting forward a harder version of the May's deal before March 19th.
    - Piskvorrr 8y ago
      I see. It's...complicated. Thanks for the clarification.
faissaloo 8y ago
I'm pro-Brexit and pro-Scottish independence, it doesn't seem to me like many Brexiters care at all what Scotland does.
- Piskvorrr 8y ago
  ...or Ireland, or NI, or Gibraltar, or indeed anyone at all (Wa...who?). IDGI, but whatever, that's apparently an English problem now.
- sleavey 8y ago
  Interesting - I've not spoken to anyone who is both pro-Brexit and pro-Scottish independence. A lot of my pro-Scottish independence friends are in favour of it as a means of getting closer ties to the EU (a la Republic of Ireland). Indeed, the main political party in Scotland is pro-independence but anti-Brexit. Polite request: would you mind giving your reasoning for this stance?
  - faissaloo 8y ago
    It's quite simple really, I'm pro-Brexit for two reasons primarily: The EU has legislated against religious displayed in the workplace. The EU also has anti-reverse engineering laws like the EU Trade Secrets Directive that I dislike greatly. I'm pro-Scottish independence because I believe the British government is incompetent and malicious and it is best that Scotland is kept far away from its immoral behavior.

spuz 8y ago

To give more detail on this issue: If we were to accept May's deal as it was in December, the UK would leave the EU but remain entirely within the custom's union. Afterwards, plans would be made for NI to stay within the custom's union and the rest of the UK to leave. However, there is a term in the 1800 amendment of the the 1707 Acts of Union that says: “that in all treaties made by his Majesty, his heirs, and successors, with any foreign power, his Majesty’s subjects of Ireland shall have the same privileges, and be on the same footing as his Majesty’s subjects of Great Britain.” If this term is broken, it reverts all the countries of the UK back to individual states - i.e. Scotland would be independent by default and there is a good chance they would not vote for an amendment to the Acts of Union because they would prefer to stay in the EU. That leaves politicians with two options: Either keep the UK in the custom's union indefinitely, or break up the United Kingdom. https://www.thenational.scot/news/16989865.this-is-why-westminsters-choice-is-between-brexit-and-the-union/ https://www.thenational.scot/news/16989865.this-is-why-westm...

Piskvorrr 8y ago
That, too. I don't see any deal as likely, however - Tories seem to be steering for a hard Brexit, and Labour only presents token effort against. Hard Brexit forecast, with showers of martial law likely.
- spuz 8y ago
  By hard Brexit, do you mean "no-deal"? Because they are very different things. I think no-deal is looking like the most likely outcome at the moment. I can't see any chance of the tories putting forward a harder version of the May's deal before March 19th.
  - Piskvorrr 8y ago
    I see. It's...complicated. Thanks for the clarification.

faissaloo 8y ago

I'm pro-Brexit and pro-Scottish independence, it doesn't seem to me like many Brexiters care at all what Scotland does.

Piskvorrr 8y ago
...or Ireland, or NI, or Gibraltar, or indeed anyone at all (Wa...who?). IDGI, but whatever, that's apparently an English problem now.
sleavey 8y ago
Interesting - I've not spoken to anyone who is both pro-Brexit and pro-Scottish independence. A lot of my pro-Scottish independence friends are in favour of it as a means of getting closer ties to the EU (a la Republic of Ireland). Indeed, the main political party in Scotland is pro-independence but anti-Brexit. Polite request: would you mind giving your reasoning for this stance?
- faissaloo 8y ago
  It's quite simple really, I'm pro-Brexit for two reasons primarily: The EU has legislated against religious displayed in the workplace. The EU also has anti-reverse engineering laws like the EU Trade Secrets Directive that I dislike greatly. I'm pro-Scottish independence because I believe the British government is incompetent and malicious and it is best that Scotland is kept far away from its immoral behavior.