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You have to dig deeper to make the right analysis here, your view is very 1st world-centric. To the poor people living right now, they are already living with

You have to dig deeper to make the right analysis here, your view is very 1st world-centric. To the poor people living right now, they are already living with their life at stake to them it's not an actual argument. They need access to cheap reliable energy right now and frankly, don't care about climate change. Talebs minority rule is not a universal rule it's a contextual rule which is important to understand.

true_religion 8y ago
Poor people globally are consuming an order of magnitude less energy than rich people in rich counties. Honestly, excluding them from this analysis makes sense because of this, and additionally because we have no way of affecting change outside of our own nations.
- ThomPete 8y ago
  Thats not the point. The point is that they cant use our fancy solar grids for anything, they are trying to make it to the next day and ex coal and oil are more useful to them right now than any discussion about climate change, mother nature is already killing them Excluding them is antihuman.
ethiclub 8y ago
The original poster did not necessarily mean to force such products on the entire world population. Wealthy consumers are able to fund technologies. Wealthy consumers are also able to be more discerning with purchases. In the same manner as many nations skipped industrialization and computing stages, we can do the same with eco-friendly products. When Africa was ready, it procured mobile phones, not desktop computers. Precisely as per the Tesla business model, it is sensible to target 'rich' discerning consumers to drive legislation and production in order to scale & mature it for future consumers.
- ThomPete 8y ago
  Wealthy consumers are a fraction of the problem, its the industries that support all of us which are the real poluters and there is nothing even close to replacing that, not even close.
  - ethiclub 8y ago
    >Wealthy consumers are a fraction of the problem Agreed. It's still a model that provides an entrance point to wide distribution being possible. (Legislatively, economically, general awareness). It's not suitable as a single solution to go all-in on - As long as this isn't treated as a false-dilemma and solely relied upon, it has value.

true_religion 8y ago

Poor people globally are consuming an order of magnitude less energy than rich people in rich counties. Honestly, excluding them from this analysis makes sense because of this, and additionally because we have no way of affecting change outside of our own nations.

ThomPete 8y ago
Thats not the point. The point is that they cant use our fancy solar grids for anything, they are trying to make it to the next day and ex coal and oil are more useful to them right now than any discussion about climate change, mother nature is already killing them Excluding them is antihuman.

ethiclub 8y ago

The original poster did not necessarily mean to force such products on the entire world population. Wealthy consumers are able to fund technologies. Wealthy consumers are also able to be more discerning with purchases. In the same manner as many nations skipped industrialization and computing stages, we can do the same with eco-friendly products. When Africa was ready, it procured mobile phones, not desktop computers. Precisely as per the Tesla business model, it is sensible to target 'rich' discerning consumers to drive legislation and production in order to scale & mature it for future consumers.

ThomPete 8y ago
Wealthy consumers are a fraction of the problem, its the industries that support all of us which are the real poluters and there is nothing even close to replacing that, not even close.
- ethiclub 8y ago
  >Wealthy consumers are a fraction of the problem Agreed. It's still a model that provides an entrance point to wide distribution being possible. (Legislatively, economically, general awareness). It's not suitable as a single solution to go all-in on - As long as this isn't treated as a false-dilemma and solely relied upon, it has value.