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OP did not say "mishandling batterygate screwed Apple's earnings", but instead pointed out that something that could have been better handled and would have cos

OP did not say "mishandling batterygate screwed Apple's earnings", but instead pointed out that something that could have been better handled and would have cost significantly less was considered a big enough mistake to be mentioned. OP not implying causation, they're calling something interesting out.

criley2 8y ago
I fundamentally disagree with your analysis, as OP helpfully listed their entire thinking out: > "It went something like this:" > .... >- Some people decide that they'll stick with their phone a bit ?longer than they otherwise would have, reducing iPhone sales. >- Apple misses their earnings target, likely costing them more in value than it would have cost them to address the root issue in the first place. OP using a list format is implying a causative link between battery issues and earnings targets. OP even suggests that their value would be safe had they simply corrected the battery issue earlier. It's an extremely clear post they made, IMO
- bchryfrrl 8y ago
  your opinion is extremely clearly based on your mental edits of the post
- tomnipotent 8y ago
  > a causative link between battery issues and earnings targets There's is a causative link, which is why Apple included it in this report. How is it possible to miss that connection?
  - abalone 8y ago
    You’re misunderstanding the thread here. OP suggested batteries, a minor factor in the report, were the primary cause in the earnings drop. For whatever reason there are people who really badly want to believe this. swish_bob countered, inaccurately, that OP did not claim causation. Now that we all can agree swish_bob is wrong, the problem remains that OP misrepresented the primacy of the factors stated in the report.
    - michaelcampbell 8y ago
      > OP suggested batteries, a minor factor in the report, were the primary cause in the earnings drop. I don't get that in the least little bit from what he wrote. Nothing in his post even references the earnings drop.
      - abalone 8y ago
        > Nothing in his post even references the earnings drop. “- Some people decide that they'll stick with their phone a bit longer... - Apple misses their earnings target” Direct quote.
        mike10010100 8y ago
        I feel like I'm taking crazy pills considering how many people are completely ignoring the very obvious connotation here. It's like they're willfully ignoring the Chinese market issue entirely.
    - tomnipotent 8y ago
      > were the primary cause in the earnings drop. No he didn't, stop making stuff up. Apple would not have bothered to mention the battery issue if it didn't have a material impact on their business.
      - mike10010100 8y ago
        Yes, he literally did. Right here: > - Some people decide that they'll stick with their phone a bit longer than they otherwise would have, reducing iPhone sales. > - Apple misses their earnings target, likely costing them more in value than it would have cost them to address the root issue in the first place. There's an implicit "because of this" between the two bullet points. Again, it's painting a problem that is 5% of the issue as if it's 100%. China was the vast majority of this decline, as the earnings reports show. I have no earthly idea why people are ignoring this fact so badly.

criley2 8y ago

I fundamentally disagree with your analysis, as OP helpfully listed their entire thinking out: > "It went something like this:" > .... >- Some people decide that they'll stick with their phone a bit ?longer than they otherwise would have, reducing iPhone sales. >- Apple misses their earnings target, likely costing them more in value than it would have cost them to address the root issue in the first place. OP using a list format is implying a causative link between battery issues and earnings targets. OP even suggests that their value would be safe had they simply corrected the battery issue earlier. It's an extremely clear post they made, IMO

bchryfrrl 8y ago
your opinion is extremely clearly based on your mental edits of the post
tomnipotent 8y ago
> a causative link between battery issues and earnings targets There's is a causative link, which is why Apple included it in this report. How is it possible to miss that connection?
- abalone 8y ago
  You’re misunderstanding the thread here. OP suggested batteries, a minor factor in the report, were the primary cause in the earnings drop. For whatever reason there are people who really badly want to believe this. swish_bob countered, inaccurately, that OP did not claim causation. Now that we all can agree swish_bob is wrong, the problem remains that OP misrepresented the primacy of the factors stated in the report.
  - michaelcampbell 8y ago
    > OP suggested batteries, a minor factor in the report, were the primary cause in the earnings drop. I don't get that in the least little bit from what he wrote. Nothing in his post even references the earnings drop.
    - abalone 8y ago
      > Nothing in his post even references the earnings drop. “- Some people decide that they'll stick with their phone a bit longer... - Apple misses their earnings target” Direct quote.
      - mike10010100 8y ago
        I feel like I'm taking crazy pills considering how many people are completely ignoring the very obvious connotation here. It's like they're willfully ignoring the Chinese market issue entirely.
  - tomnipotent 8y ago
    > were the primary cause in the earnings drop. No he didn't, stop making stuff up. Apple would not have bothered to mention the battery issue if it didn't have a material impact on their business.
    - mike10010100 8y ago
      Yes, he literally did. Right here: > - Some people decide that they'll stick with their phone a bit longer than they otherwise would have, reducing iPhone sales. > - Apple misses their earnings target, likely costing them more in value than it would have cost them to address the root issue in the first place. There's an implicit "because of this" between the two bullet points. Again, it's painting a problem that is 5% of the issue as if it's 100%. China was the vast majority of this decline, as the earnings reports show. I have no earthly idea why people are ignoring this fact so badly.