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If you'd bother to read the linked article or to do a moment's research, you would have learned that the magazine is not named after the French Jacobins: https:

If you'd bother to read the linked article or to do a moment's research, you would have learned that the magazine is not named after the French Jacobins: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobin_(magazine)#Title_and_logo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobin_(magazine)#Title_and_l...

orhmeh09 8y ago
I think it’s a bit disingenuous to attack that presumption, given that the magazine sells posters of guillotines. They definitely play on it. https://jacobinmag.com/store/product/1 https://jacobinmag.com/store/product/1
- rauhl 8y ago
  > … the magazine sells posters of guillotines. Sounds like glorifying political mass-murder to me. That seems in profoundly poor taste. Every person who died under the blade of one of those guillotines was a human being, with hopes & fears, good & evil in his soul. The great number of them weren’t murderers, rapists or thieves: they were just people who had the unfortunate bad luck to be born into the wrong caste.
  - Jotra7 8y ago
    What's the matter? You afraid of the same thing?
  - icebraining 8y ago
    Eh, it's more making fun of the people who get in a frenzy over the name. Maybe still in poor taste, but not really glorifying the deaths. In fact, many of the guillotined were Jacobins themselves.
eadmund 8y ago
If anything, the Haitian Jacobins were worse: the Haitian Revolution entailed systematic genocide: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1804_Haiti_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1804_Haiti_massacre
- icebraining 8y ago
  I don't think Jacobinism or any other ideology had anything to do with that; they were slaves rising up to their captors.
  - zozbot123 8y ago
    > they were slaves rising up to their captors And yet, nothing like this ever happened in the slave-holding U.S. South. Not during the U.S. civil war, not even in the worst depths of post-war "Reconstruction" (or the lack thereof, rather - ironically, true reconstruction in the historical 'South' would only happen as late as the Civil Rights era, creating the present-day "Sun Belt"). So, clearly, ideology had at least something to do with it.
    - icebraining 8y ago
      Are you sure that ideology was the single only difference between Haiti and the US South? In fact, the two were very different; Haiti was a slave colony far away from the mainland, unlike the Southern US. Even in Virginia, the state with the most slaves in 1800, they were never even 50% of the population. In Haiti, slaves outnumbered whites 10:1. And that mainland was turned into itself, and unable to provide decent governance or even military forces to keep them in line. The massacre came about after the Haitian revolution, when ex-slaves took control. This never happened, and could never happen, in the US.

orhmeh09 8y ago

I think it’s a bit disingenuous to attack that presumption, given that the magazine sells posters of guillotines. They definitely play on it. https://jacobinmag.com/store/product/1 https://jacobinmag.com/store/product/1

rauhl 8y ago
> … the magazine sells posters of guillotines. Sounds like glorifying political mass-murder to me. That seems in profoundly poor taste. Every person who died under the blade of one of those guillotines was a human being, with hopes & fears, good & evil in his soul. The great number of them weren’t murderers, rapists or thieves: they were just people who had the unfortunate bad luck to be born into the wrong caste.
- Jotra7 8y ago
  What's the matter? You afraid of the same thing?
- icebraining 8y ago
  Eh, it's more making fun of the people who get in a frenzy over the name. Maybe still in poor taste, but not really glorifying the deaths. In fact, many of the guillotined were Jacobins themselves.

eadmund 8y ago

If anything, the Haitian Jacobins were worse: the Haitian Revolution entailed systematic genocide: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1804_Haiti_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1804_Haiti_massacre

icebraining 8y ago
I don't think Jacobinism or any other ideology had anything to do with that; they were slaves rising up to their captors.
- zozbot123 8y ago
  > they were slaves rising up to their captors And yet, nothing like this ever happened in the slave-holding U.S. South. Not during the U.S. civil war, not even in the worst depths of post-war "Reconstruction" (or the lack thereof, rather - ironically, true reconstruction in the historical 'South' would only happen as late as the Civil Rights era, creating the present-day "Sun Belt"). So, clearly, ideology had at least something to do with it.
  - icebraining 8y ago
    Are you sure that ideology was the single only difference between Haiti and the US South? In fact, the two were very different; Haiti was a slave colony far away from the mainland, unlike the Southern US. Even in Virginia, the state with the most slaves in 1800, they were never even 50% of the population. In Haiti, slaves outnumbered whites 10:1. And that mainland was turned into itself, and unable to provide decent governance or even military forces to keep them in line. The massacre came about after the Haitian revolution, when ex-slaves took control. This never happened, and could never happen, in the US.