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To name your magazine after the frenzied murderous excess of the French Revolution reminds me of how rabidly violent the far left is. And when we have so many e
by ghostcluster 8y ago
To name your magazine after the frenzied murderous excess of the French Revolution reminds me of how rabidly violent the far left is. And when we have so many examples of radical collectivism leading to mass suffering (much of humanity's gains in the last 40 years can be traced to China's rejection of it in the late 1970s), and an intellectual foundation based on patently false dogma like Marx's 'labor theory of value'.. I wish the left would adopt some new role models and theory based on reality
- dang 8y agoPlease keep generic ideological flamewar off this site. I realize the article is tempting in that direction, but there's also an interesting story there and plenty of specifics. "Frenzied murderous excess" of whoever is the last thing the internet has anything new to say about, and in addition to being tediously repetitive, these discussions get hostile very quickly. Those are two reasons why they're off topic here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- ghostcluster 8y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobin - the second paragraph talks about the guillotining of 17,000 political opponents. I apologize if my comment seemed too ideological, but I think it's fair to assert that they're a provocative thing to name your magazine after, and the piece mentions Jacobin's featuring the guillotine as well.
- dang 8y agoThe presence of a provocation doesn't mean we need to get provoked.
- ghostcluster 8y agoThe magazine sells guillotine posters: https://jacobinmag.com/store/product/1 https://jacobinmag.com/store/product/1
- Ar-Curunir 8y agoIf you'd bother to read the linked article or to do a moment's research, you would have learned that the magazine is not named after the French Jacobins: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobin_(magazine)#Title_and_logo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobin_(magazine)#Title_and_l...
- orhmeh09 8y agoI think it’s a bit disingenuous to attack that presumption, given that the magazine sells posters of guillotines. They definitely play on it. https://jacobinmag.com/store/product/1 https://jacobinmag.com/store/product/1
- rauhl 8y ago> … the magazine sells posters of guillotines. Sounds like glorifying political mass-murder to me. That seems in profoundly poor taste. Every person who died under the blade of one of those guillotines was a human being, with hopes & fears, good & evil in his soul. The great number of them weren’t murderers, rapists or thieves: they were just people who had the unfortunate bad luck to be born into the wrong caste.
- Jotra7 8y agoWhat's the matter? You afraid of the same thing?
- icebraining 8y agoEh, it's more making fun of the people who get in a frenzy over the name. Maybe still in poor taste, but not really glorifying the deaths. In fact, many of the guillotined were Jacobins themselves.
- eadmund 8y agoIf anything, the Haitian Jacobins were worse: the Haitian Revolution entailed systematic genocide: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1804_Haiti_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1804_Haiti_massacre
- Synaesthesia 8y agoYeah the Kingdom of France didn't have mass suffering or murderous excesses ... That wasn't shocking to the elite at the time, but people taking power were. In principle, a democracy with mistakes is better than an enlightened monarchy. Look at how the US has done business with tyrants, their foreign policy has a terrible record.