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I am an iphone/MBP user for past few years and currently using iphone 7/MBP 2018. While apple products and quality is superior, i dont see any improvements in i
by nitinreddy88 8y ago
I am an iphone/MBP user for past few years and currently using iphone 7/MBP 2018. While apple products and quality is superior, i dont see any improvements in iphone XS compared to my current phone.
1. Camera quality is not really that differentiating factor to spend 1200$
2. 99.9% usage doesn’t require higher cpu
If apple continues to play premium game without game changing features, soon it will be staginated
Regarding MBP, they screwed beautiful piece in the latest iteration
- zepto 8y agoIf you can’t see improvements between the XS and the 7, I’m very surprised. However I do agree with the general point. The differences are getting less and less significant, and we buy new devices only when they make a meaningful difference to our lives.
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- Retric 8y agoYet, somehow BMW successfully sells new cars with minor changes every year. Eventually in the premium market it's less about the upgrade vs simply having a new device. The question is what peoples upgrade cycles will look like. IMO an average around 4 years is probably about right for cellphones.
- adpirz 8y agoWRT stock price and valuation, the current pricing generally assumes a much more frequent upgrade cycle, so even if this makes more practical sense, it means that AAPL will lose a lot of value in the transition; their transition to offering more in services is a sign that their hardware innovation has probably reached a relative maximum.
- throwaway2048 8y agoI don't think BMW has nearly doubled their prices over the span of a few years.
- c0nducktr 8y agoI think the idea is that they've just, or are moving towards, 'Luxury' pricing. Not to compare the two companies prices directly.
- ajross 8y agoBMW has solid and reliable market share, but it's small. Toyota also sells new cars with only minor changes every year. And they make four times as much money doing it. No one questions whether or not Apple will continue to make good premium phones, just if their market capitalization is appropriate for a company that makes only premium phones.
- Retric 8y agoToyota also makes premium cars. The average selling price of a new vechile in the US is 36,000$ per year which means the market for premium cars is huge. Now, the question becomes can you sell a premium Android phone? And based on current sales not really. Companies have flagship products, but they don’t sell that many of them because they don’t have significant advantages over far cheaper devices.
- ajross 8y ago> Now, the question becomes can you sell a premium Android phone? Sorry... why does that become the question? The issue at hand is whether Apple can justify a trillion dollar market cap (now down to about $750B) on its almost-entirely-premium phone sales. Whether it has meaningful competition in the premium phone sector isn't really relevant. Android can be nothing but Huawei junk and AAPL would still be overpriced.
- ummonk 8y agoI don't think people buy a new BMW every few years.
- jonknee 8y agoNo, they lease them. That's actually pretty close to what Apple wants to do as well (Tim even noted it in his CNBC sit down).
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- paxys 8y agoProblem is Apple has based its strategy and forecasts around 1-2 year upgrade cycles rather than 4.
- tanilama 8y agoBMW doesn't raise the price of their cars every year, let alone at the pace of 30%. Should that happen to BMW, I guess the consumers will happily take their business somewhere else. It is impressive enough that Apple can keep doing this for this long and only until now we see a substantial backfire of its action. And those car manufacturers don't have a margin that as lucrative as Apple's, which is 38% in the letter.
- beerlord 8y agoApple have also alienated a lot of people by not supporting an open physical standard for headphones. The day I can use the same headphone jack (3.5mm or USB-C) on my laptop and iPhone is the day I upgrade from an iPhone 6s. Plus, the carriers are encouraging SIM-only sales and for people to finance their own phones. So the 24-month upgrade cycle has been somewhat broken there.
- dfischer 8y agoAnyone that doesnt adopt innovation ends up holding onto archaic technology. The same people judged for the removal of CD drives. It’s usually always a minority voice and it doesn’t have much value in the overall trend of technology and market adoption.
- unholythree 8y agoThe technology is exactly the same. They just eliminated a standard connector from their design and now require you to supply your own DAC; either as a dongle or integrated into the headphones.
- dfischer 8y agoIt is in fact not exactly the same. Because the innovation allows slimmer, lighter design and pushes society to adopt wireless which is ultimately inevitable.
- pooppaint 8y agoThis trope is like 2016 (or whenever the hell it was) either way it’s old and it’s dumb. Buy a dongle, attach it to your headphones and leave it or get air pods. That is what the market is doing. I mean I’m not thrilled with lack of a headphone jack but the overall market for iPhones doesn’t really care.
- beerlord 8y agoIts not old and dumb - Apple introduced USB-C in the iPad Pro. I won't buy a new iPhone until it supports it as well.
- abc_lisper 8y agoSince it seems like the season of anecdotes, I will also chime in. I thought iPhone 7 was good enough until I tried the iPhone XS. It is far superior in every way over iPhone 7, and I am very happy I made the purchase. The webpages load before I say blink, the screen is big, and I am enjoying reading books on it now. Other than that the camera is excellent and better everyway over my old iphone. I am not making this stuff up.
- X-Istence 8y agoI upgraded from an iPhone 7 to an iPhone XS and FaceID and the faster processing speeds have been huge improvements for me too. I find myself frustrated now when I am using a mobile device that doesn't respond as quickly and efficiently as my iPhone XS. The speed at which apps open/websites load, and the accompanying battery life... huge fan. My iPhone 7 would last until about 7 PM before it needed another charge, my XS lasts all day + night and I find myself using it more than I did my 7.
- conductr 8y agoIt’s still a replacement phone vs an upgrade phone. When you need to replace, get the latest, otherwise no urgency to upgrade.
- eeeeeeeeeeeee 8y agoI also went from 7 to X and it was a massive upgrade. The speed alone, but the screen is where I really noticed it.
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- deepakhj 8y agoI'm the opposite. I love all of the new hardware. 1. I went from the 6S -> XS 2. 2015 MBP -> 2018 MBP. The only annoyance was the touch bar in Chrome. 3. Apple Watch Series 0 -> Apple Watch 4 LTE. I can track my surf sessions and take texts/calls in the water.
- valarauca1 8y agoThe only reason I'd seriously consider upgrading is if they fixed the typing speed. The input latency on iPhone has just _horrible_, and I know after another iOS update it'll be just as bad. I taught myself to touch type at about ~80WPM with my thumbs, and how I have this bad of habit of typing a full google search query, and just staring my phone for 90seconds until all the text magically fills in and my phone shakes with haptic feed back that should've occurred nearly 2 minutes ago. It is such a cheap experience I had to turn haptic feedback off because its not even remotely synced to touch inputs.
- shaklee3 8y agoIf you think Apple products are quality, especially on the mbp, is superior, you need to try a high-end pc. Don't compare a $3k mbp to a $1k PC.