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Dissenting opinion. I currently have an iPhone and a Macbook and I cannot wait for the next cycle. I'm ditching Apple and its products entirely. Between the pre

Dissenting opinion. I currently have an iPhone and a Macbook and I cannot wait for the next cycle. I'm ditching Apple and its products entirely. Between the predatory rent-seeking app store, hostile my-way-or-the-highway developer environment, and just downright awful products (mail, message, contacts, and all the other apple nonsense apps preinstalled i never care for) as well as a buggy and unreliable icloud that has lost me data, I can't wait to leave.

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jay_kyburz 8y ago
I actually quite like a lot of the software, but about two years ago I started a job where I needed to run windows, and I needed some 3d muscle (A GTX1060). A widows laptop was literately half the price of a mac laptop of a similar speed. Well, that's when I found out how locked into the mac ecosystem I was. It was very painful to switch back to windows. Even my keyboard shortcut muscle memory was difficult to overcome.
josho 8y ago
The parent made the case for how Apple sides with its users. Your complaints may be legit, but none are from an end user perspective.
- emsy 8y ago
  The rent seeking trickles down to customers. See Netflix not taking subscriptions through Apple anymore. If this happens with one service, customers may be puzzled, if this happens with all services, customers will get annoyed. The way Apple treats their developers is how they treat their platform.
- banachtarski 8y ago
  The apps and iCloud portion of my comment should be relevant, as is the observation that I can't load whatever I want on the phone. I have to go through this horrible app store which Apple took years to redesign and ended up being even worse than its predecessor for discovering content (and policing content!)
curun1r 8y ago
I won't try to sell you on a MacBook, but I tried ditching my iPhone for an official Google Android phone because I felt similarly to the way you do and it was one of the worst decisions I've ever made. I chose an official Google phone because I wanted to be sure that I could get security updates and run the latest version of the OS. But it didn't take long before the phone's UI performance became extremely noticeable. Simple stuff like triggering the back action or switching between apps would take multiple seconds. Chrome sometimes took up to 20 seconds to load. I can't help but think that Android made some fundamentally bad decisions in their software stack given just how bad the experience can be. And 13 months into my Android phone experience, the phone started boot looping and basically turned into a brick. Called Google, who ducked out of any responsibility because their warranty only covered the first 12 months, despite the fact that they've known about this issue for more than 2 years and kept selling the phone anyways. Compare that to the way that Apple responded to batterygate and you can see the difference in customer service between them and Google is night and day. Maybe it's just me, but I've also talked to others that have gone to Android and found only a world of hurt. With Apple making iPhone battery replacement very affordable, you'll get a far smoother experience sticking with an outdated iPhone models than you'll get with top-of-the-line Android phones. I hope for your sake that you have a more positive experience with Android than I did. But less than 18 months later and I'm back using an iPhone 8 and have no plans to ever consider Android again.
- SyneRyder 8y ago
  > Simple stuff like triggering the back action or switching between apps would take multiple seconds. Chrome sometimes took up to 20 seconds to load... Something is definitely wrong with that phone, or maybe that Google model. I'm definitely not seeing slow behavior like that on my Samsung S8 that I've owned for over a year. It's been getting regular security updates too (just got the December update a couple of weeks ago). I have seen similar slowdowns on my older Nexus 5 & iPhone when the internal storage got too full. I'm a long time Apple user (over a decade, one of those people who queued up for a day one iPhone), but I am ecstatically happy with my Samsung S8 and find it to be the most "Apple-like" device I've bought from a non-Apple company. That said, if you prefer the iPhone, that's okay too. People like different things and use different features.
tjr225 8y ago
I find the preinstalled apple software to be fantastic. I choose it over alternatives at work and at home. The only exception is the Podcasts app. I hate that app with a burning passion.
- vidoc 8y ago
  You might want to try pocket casts, not a free app, but problem solved once and for all :D

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jay_kyburz 8y ago

I actually quite like a lot of the software, but about two years ago I started a job where I needed to run windows, and I needed some 3d muscle (A GTX1060). A widows laptop was literately half the price of a mac laptop of a similar speed. Well, that's when I found out how locked into the mac ecosystem I was. It was very painful to switch back to windows. Even my keyboard shortcut muscle memory was difficult to overcome.

josho 8y ago

The parent made the case for how Apple sides with its users. Your complaints may be legit, but none are from an end user perspective.

emsy 8y ago
The rent seeking trickles down to customers. See Netflix not taking subscriptions through Apple anymore. If this happens with one service, customers may be puzzled, if this happens with all services, customers will get annoyed. The way Apple treats their developers is how they treat their platform.
banachtarski 8y ago
The apps and iCloud portion of my comment should be relevant, as is the observation that I can't load whatever I want on the phone. I have to go through this horrible app store which Apple took years to redesign and ended up being even worse than its predecessor for discovering content (and policing content!)

curun1r 8y ago

I won't try to sell you on a MacBook, but I tried ditching my iPhone for an official Google Android phone because I felt similarly to the way you do and it was one of the worst decisions I've ever made. I chose an official Google phone because I wanted to be sure that I could get security updates and run the latest version of the OS. But it didn't take long before the phone's UI performance became extremely noticeable. Simple stuff like triggering the back action or switching between apps would take multiple seconds. Chrome sometimes took up to 20 seconds to load. I can't help but think that Android made some fundamentally bad decisions in their software stack given just how bad the experience can be. And 13 months into my Android phone experience, the phone started boot looping and basically turned into a brick. Called Google, who ducked out of any responsibility because their warranty only covered the first 12 months, despite the fact that they've known about this issue for more than 2 years and kept selling the phone anyways. Compare that to the way that Apple responded to batterygate and you can see the difference in customer service between them and Google is night and day. Maybe it's just me, but I've also talked to others that have gone to Android and found only a world of hurt. With Apple making iPhone battery replacement very affordable, you'll get a far smoother experience sticking with an outdated iPhone models than you'll get with top-of-the-line Android phones. I hope for your sake that you have a more positive experience with Android than I did. But less than 18 months later and I'm back using an iPhone 8 and have no plans to ever consider Android again.

SyneRyder 8y ago
> Simple stuff like triggering the back action or switching between apps would take multiple seconds. Chrome sometimes took up to 20 seconds to load... Something is definitely wrong with that phone, or maybe that Google model. I'm definitely not seeing slow behavior like that on my Samsung S8 that I've owned for over a year. It's been getting regular security updates too (just got the December update a couple of weeks ago). I have seen similar slowdowns on my older Nexus 5 & iPhone when the internal storage got too full. I'm a long time Apple user (over a decade, one of those people who queued up for a day one iPhone), but I am ecstatically happy with my Samsung S8 and find it to be the most "Apple-like" device I've bought from a non-Apple company. That said, if you prefer the iPhone, that's okay too. People like different things and use different features.

tjr225 8y ago

I find the preinstalled apple software to be fantastic. I choose it over alternatives at work and at home. The only exception is the Podcasts app. I hate that app with a burning passion.

vidoc 8y ago
You might want to try pocket casts, not a free app, but problem solved once and for all :D