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One of the things that happened is the Blender team hired a bunch of professional artists to make real commercial quality movies using blender, and when the art

One of the things that happened is the Blender team hired a bunch of professional artists to make real commercial quality movies using blender, and when the artists had a complaint, the developers were in the same room to get the issue fixed in real time. Meanwhile GIMP has a reputation of being written by software developers for software developers, and being actively hostile to suggestions from artists...

prokoudine 8y ago
> Meanwhile GIMP has a reputation of being written by software developers for software developers, and being actively hostile to suggestions from artists... Actively hostile how?
- Shish2k 8y ago
  TBH my anecdotes are probably somewhat out-of-date; last time I was looking into this was back when single-window mode was a controversial idea, being rejected for years, with users who requested it being told "it's not our fault that your window manager sucks, just switch to a window manager which handles multi-window mode elegantly" (which at the time excluded users of windows, osx, and most mainstream linux distros :P)
  - prokoudine 8y ago
    "Somewhat out of date" would be at least 10 years ago.
boudewijnrempt 8y ago
That was a turning point for us as well. We had a sprint at the blender institute in Amsterdam and had invited artists to come as well. And we sat down a whole Saturday, taping them while they were painting and complaining. Us developers, we weren't allowed to chat back, we were just there to look and listen. Very illuminating, and fun for the artists.
- prokoudine 8y ago
  HN doesn't allow any more replies there, so... > "How did you dare to hack on Gimp, doing this, without doing us the courtesy of asking for permission first!" That is a bit of an overstatement. "It would be nice if you talked to us first" != "How dare you do this without asking for our permission" Yosh wasn't even demanding permission, just basic courtesy. Source: https://marc.info/?l=gimp-developer&m=90221516928016&w=2 https://marc.info/?l=gimp-developer&m=90221516928016&w=2 Free software projects don't usually have an abundance of contributors, as you very well know. So I kinda get why Yosh was disappointed, although I don't think he should've fretted that much.

prokoudine 8y ago

> Meanwhile GIMP has a reputation of being written by software developers for software developers, and being actively hostile to suggestions from artists... Actively hostile how?

Shish2k 8y ago
TBH my anecdotes are probably somewhat out-of-date; last time I was looking into this was back when single-window mode was a controversial idea, being rejected for years, with users who requested it being told "it's not our fault that your window manager sucks, just switch to a window manager which handles multi-window mode elegantly" (which at the time excluded users of windows, osx, and most mainstream linux distros :P)
- prokoudine 8y ago
  "Somewhat out of date" would be at least 10 years ago.

boudewijnrempt 8y ago

That was a turning point for us as well. We had a sprint at the blender institute in Amsterdam and had invited artists to come as well. And we sat down a whole Saturday, taping them while they were painting and complaining. Us developers, we weren't allowed to chat back, we were just there to look and listen. Very illuminating, and fun for the artists.

prokoudine 8y ago
HN doesn't allow any more replies there, so... > "How did you dare to hack on Gimp, doing this, without doing us the courtesy of asking for permission first!" That is a bit of an overstatement. "It would be nice if you talked to us first" != "How dare you do this without asking for our permission" Yosh wasn't even demanding permission, just basic courtesy. Source: https://marc.info/?l=gimp-developer&m=90221516928016&w=2 https://marc.info/?l=gimp-developer&m=90221516928016&w=2 Free software projects don't usually have an abundance of contributors, as you very well know. So I kinda get why Yosh was disappointed, although I don't think he should've fretted that much.