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Speaking as an automotive mechanic by trade who just got into GPG and letsencrypt this week, what application does this have? I guess another question is, why

Speaking as an automotive mechanic by trade who just got into GPG and letsencrypt this week, what application does this have? I guess another question is, why did we need "secured" x509 USB? whos pushing this standard? For example, the Porsche 911 comes with single lug wheels...theyre exotic enough to take their own special wrench, at four hundred dollars, for no real reason other than 'racecar.' youll never race it at speeds where this F1 class hardware matters, but hey, racecar.

devereaux 8y ago
Another reason for the special wrenches might be called "thieves"
- jhauris 8y ago
  The lug wrenches aren't restricted in any way. Thieves can buy them and will get more use per dollar out of them than an owner who lost theirs.
  - devereaux 8y ago
    A random thief may not have a few hundreds to invest in wrenches. This will mostly be a deterrent for opportunistic thieves, the same reason you lock the door of your home. Even locked, it is still easy to open with the appropriate tools.
    - SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
      I imagine it's still possible to remove the wheels without the specialist wrench. It will just damage the lug nuts. Obviously to an owner wanting to legitimately work on their own vehicle this is a huge issue but to a thief who wants to leave the car on bricks and sell the wheels on, not so much.
est31 8y ago
You might be able to use it to prevent BadUSB like attacks. Something looks like an USB stick with data on it, you plug it in. The device tells the computer that it's a keyboard and sends keypresses to install some virus or something. [1] I don't know about the particulars of this standard though, maybe it's just some DRM thing and soon you'll have to buy expensive dell mice for dell laptops or something like it's already the case with gamepads and consoles. [1]: https://srlabs.de/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/SRLabs-BadUSB-BlackHat-v1.pdf https://srlabs.de/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/SRLabs-BadUSB-B...
- dcbadacd 8y ago
  In addition to any software (especially semiconductor vendor's) being additional attack surface, if you already have connected your device to something it could have already cause damage (Nintendo Switch situation, USB Killers and etc.), not even considering "trusted" devices being faulty. The only thing this provides is DRM.
TheAceOfHearts 8y ago
What's $400 for someone that can afford a Porsche 911? It seems like when you're spending that much money on a car you should know what you're getting yourself into. You wanted a racecar, and that's what you got. I was curious so I looked it up, here's their very expensive torque wrench [0]. Here's some pictures of guys holding it [1]. It seems weird to me to complaint about requiring specialty tools for a specialty car. It's not like there aren't a ton of car options to chose from. [0] https://www.tooltopia.com/precision-instruments-c4d600f36h.aspx https://www.tooltopia.com/precision-instruments-c4d600f36h.a... [1] https://www.thextremexperience.com/blog/insane-torque-wrench-ever/ https://www.thextremexperience.com/blog/insane-torque-wrench...

devereaux 8y ago

Another reason for the special wrenches might be called "thieves"

jhauris 8y ago
The lug wrenches aren't restricted in any way. Thieves can buy them and will get more use per dollar out of them than an owner who lost theirs.
- devereaux 8y ago
  A random thief may not have a few hundreds to invest in wrenches. This will mostly be a deterrent for opportunistic thieves, the same reason you lock the door of your home. Even locked, it is still easy to open with the appropriate tools.
  - SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
    I imagine it's still possible to remove the wheels without the specialist wrench. It will just damage the lug nuts. Obviously to an owner wanting to legitimately work on their own vehicle this is a huge issue but to a thief who wants to leave the car on bricks and sell the wheels on, not so much.

est31 8y ago

You might be able to use it to prevent BadUSB like attacks. Something looks like an USB stick with data on it, you plug it in. The device tells the computer that it's a keyboard and sends keypresses to install some virus or something. [1] I don't know about the particulars of this standard though, maybe it's just some DRM thing and soon you'll have to buy expensive dell mice for dell laptops or something like it's already the case with gamepads and consoles. [1]: https://srlabs.de/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/SRLabs-BadUSB-BlackHat-v1.pdf https://srlabs.de/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/SRLabs-BadUSB-B...

dcbadacd 8y ago
In addition to any software (especially semiconductor vendor's) being additional attack surface, if you already have connected your device to something it could have already cause damage (Nintendo Switch situation, USB Killers and etc.), not even considering "trusted" devices being faulty. The only thing this provides is DRM.

TheAceOfHearts 8y ago

What's $400 for someone that can afford a Porsche 911? It seems like when you're spending that much money on a car you should know what you're getting yourself into. You wanted a racecar, and that's what you got. I was curious so I looked it up, here's their very expensive torque wrench [0]. Here's some pictures of guys holding it [1]. It seems weird to me to complaint about requiring specialty tools for a specialty car. It's not like there aren't a ton of car options to chose from. [0] https://www.tooltopia.com/precision-instruments-c4d600f36h.aspx https://www.tooltopia.com/precision-instruments-c4d600f36h.a... [1] https://www.thextremexperience.com/blog/insane-torque-wrench-ever/ https://www.thextremexperience.com/blog/insane-torque-wrench...