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But really, is this any different than these "coding academies" where you pay $10k to "learn to be a programmer in 30 days and get a great job making $100k+ a y

But really, is this any different than these "coding academies" where you pay $10k to "learn to be a programmer in 30 days and get a great job making $100k+ a year"?

omarchowdhury 8y ago
Which academy makes the specific promises and claims that you just asserted?
- poorman 8y ago
  https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2016-12-06/want-a-job-in-silicon-valley-keep-away-from-coding-schools https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2016-12-06/want-a-jo... https://www.quora.com/Are-programming-bootcamps-lying-about-their-average-graduate-salaries https://www.quora.com/Are-programming-bootcamps-lying-about-...
- sct202 8y ago
  Some of the bootcamps report much more modest salaries ($50k-$70k) to https://cirr.org/data https://cirr.org/data
mattlondon 8y ago
I'd argue that coding is more of a skill that people need help starting with, and some hands-on help in the classroom when it comes to issues etc. Books etc are great, but two main issues: if you get stuck it can really help to have a teacher etc to get you back on track, and most importantly (IMO) is you likely need guidance on what to learn and when (i.e. don't attempt to read knuth cover-to-cover before you've even learnt what a while-loop is yet - there are perhaps too many books to chose from unless you have someone with some experience to point you in the right direction). Just even the "how the hell do I get started?!" question (put yourself in the shoes of an absolute newbie with a blank computer - how do you even start programming? Like do you write stuff in MS Word and Save As 'myapp.exe'? Someone entirely new wont know without help) is helped by a classroom situation. Selling stuff on amazon is pretty simple by comparison. Sign up, buy and ship some stuff to their warehouse, click a few buttons to create a listing, then wait for sales. I could 100% imagine my mum working this out on her own, but I see zero-chance of her managing to write "hello world" in javascript on her own without considerable coaching and help.
projectramo 8y ago
The only thing unusual about that sentence is 30 days. Maybe 12 weeks is also unrealistic unless they accept people who already have experience. $100k is $60k after taxes, which might cover rent in San Francisco.

But really, is this any different than these "coding academies" where you pay $10k to "learn to be a programmer in 30 days and get a great job making $100k+ a year"?

omarchowdhury 8y ago

Which academy makes the specific promises and claims that you just asserted?

poorman 8y ago
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2016-12-06/want-a-job-in-silicon-valley-keep-away-from-coding-schools https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2016-12-06/want-a-jo... https://www.quora.com/Are-programming-bootcamps-lying-about-their-average-graduate-salaries https://www.quora.com/Are-programming-bootcamps-lying-about-...
sct202 8y ago
Some of the bootcamps report much more modest salaries ($50k-$70k) to https://cirr.org/data https://cirr.org/data

mattlondon 8y ago

I'd argue that coding is more of a skill that people need help starting with, and some hands-on help in the classroom when it comes to issues etc. Books etc are great, but two main issues: if you get stuck it can really help to have a teacher etc to get you back on track, and most importantly (IMO) is you likely need guidance on what to learn and when (i.e. don't attempt to read knuth cover-to-cover before you've even learnt what a while-loop is yet - there are perhaps too many books to chose from unless you have someone with some experience to point you in the right direction). Just even the "how the hell do I get started?!" question (put yourself in the shoes of an absolute newbie with a blank computer - how do you even start programming? Like do you write stuff in MS Word and Save As 'myapp.exe'? Someone entirely new wont know without help) is helped by a classroom situation. Selling stuff on amazon is pretty simple by comparison. Sign up, buy and ship some stuff to their warehouse, click a few buttons to create a listing, then wait for sales. I could 100% imagine my mum working this out on her own, but I see zero-chance of her managing to write "hello world" in javascript on her own without considerable coaching and help.

projectramo 8y ago

The only thing unusual about that sentence is 30 days. Maybe 12 weeks is also unrealistic unless they accept people who already have experience. $100k is $60k after taxes, which might cover rent in San Francisco.