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What are you even talking about? My EV's battery is 90% of the size as my old Toyota's. I drive it every day. I charge it at home. I don't go to gas stations an

by cevn 8y ago

What are you even talking about? My EV's battery is 90% of the size as my old Toyota's. I drive it every day. I charge it at home. I don't go to gas stations any more. IMO anyone buying a fossil fuel car at this point is the one being duped by marketing. (excluding circumstances such as nowhere to charge).

TheBeardKing 8y ago
Genuinely curious and prioritize frugality, how will I save money buying any EV over a 2-3 yeard old Civic or Corolla? Gas is <$2 gallon here.
- jsendros 8y ago
  Owner of both a gas and electric vehicle here (Ford + Tesla). Gas is still way cheaper. Electric (specifically Tesla) is way more convenient. All EVs will soon be more convenient as fast charging options become more available for all EVs. I bet as EVs get cheaper, so does gasoline because of dropping demand. I doubt EVs will beat gas on long-term-ownership-cost within the next 5 years. *EDIT: Should've noted I also live in the northeastern US which is probably relevant for both price and convenience factors.
- nikivi 8y ago
  I would imagine EV will hold value better the more into the future we get vs gasoline.
btgeekboy 8y ago
You must admit though, circumstances such as nowhere to charge and overall cost are a pretty core problem. Electric cars are great, except when they’re not.
pmjordan 8y ago
IMO anyone buying a fossil fuel car at this point is the one being duped by marketing. I'm guessing this is deliberate hyperbole, because it's simply not true. The OP very much has a point: aside from Tesla X, the interior space (both rear bench seating - important for families - and boot (trunk)) in current EVs is nowhere near many combustion engine cars. (We just bought a VW Touran; we really wanted an EV, but fitting baby seat and pram plus shopping or luggage is just not possible unless you spend ~€100k on a Tesla; aside from the price, the OP's point about the footprint/width of the car is a major obstacle in much of Europe. The range question is only really resolved on the very latest models (Renault Zoe, Hyundai Kona EV, Jaguar i-Pace) and the Teslas as well. Our absolute minimum was 200km mixed driving in all seasons and that already narrows you down to a very small pool of models. Our VW Touran has a range of 800km. (500km would be more than enough for 99.9% of our trips though.)
xte 8y ago
How may years your EV have? As said above while I do not have owned an EV myself I know few peoples with one and NO one, after an initial period of high enthusiasm, would buy another in the future. So my data, surely not significant in statistical terms tell a really different story than actual marketing claims. And since car's are build in series I bet they have still a generally valid value.

by cevn 8y ago

TheBeardKing 8y ago

Genuinely curious and prioritize frugality, how will I save money buying any EV over a 2-3 yeard old Civic or Corolla? Gas is <$2 gallon here.

jsendros 8y ago
Owner of both a gas and electric vehicle here (Ford + Tesla). Gas is still way cheaper. Electric (specifically Tesla) is way more convenient. All EVs will soon be more convenient as fast charging options become more available for all EVs. I bet as EVs get cheaper, so does gasoline because of dropping demand. I doubt EVs will beat gas on long-term-ownership-cost within the next 5 years. *EDIT: Should've noted I also live in the northeastern US which is probably relevant for both price and convenience factors.
nikivi 8y ago
I would imagine EV will hold value better the more into the future we get vs gasoline.

btgeekboy 8y ago

You must admit though, circumstances such as nowhere to charge and overall cost are a pretty core problem. Electric cars are great, except when they’re not.

pmjordan 8y ago

IMO anyone buying a fossil fuel car at this point is the one being duped by marketing. I'm guessing this is deliberate hyperbole, because it's simply not true. The OP very much has a point: aside from Tesla X, the interior space (both rear bench seating - important for families - and boot (trunk)) in current EVs is nowhere near many combustion engine cars. (We just bought a VW Touran; we really wanted an EV, but fitting baby seat and pram plus shopping or luggage is just not possible unless you spend ~€100k on a Tesla; aside from the price, the OP's point about the footprint/width of the car is a major obstacle in much of Europe. The range question is only really resolved on the very latest models (Renault Zoe, Hyundai Kona EV, Jaguar i-Pace) and the Teslas as well. Our absolute minimum was 200km mixed driving in all seasons and that already narrows you down to a very small pool of models. Our VW Touran has a range of 800km. (500km would be more than enough for 99.9% of our trips though.)

xte 8y ago

How may years your EV have? As said above while I do not have owned an EV myself I know few peoples with one and NO one, after an initial period of high enthusiasm, would buy another in the future. So my data, surely not significant in statistical terms tell a really different story than actual marketing claims. And since car's are build in series I bet they have still a generally valid value.