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> Native CardDAV and CalDAV support (there is caldav, but no discoverability of calendars). This would have been great about 5 years ago, and still would be us

> Native CardDAV and CalDAV support (there is caldav, but no discoverability of calendars). This would have been great about 5 years ago, and still would be useful, but I think we're going in the direction of unified protocols, like ActiveSync, JMAP, MAPI/EWS etc. IMHO x-DAV should have been there from day one. I'm using SOGo for my family's groupware and although SOGo provide plugins for Thunderbird, I've been missing an integrated, seamless approach.

Mailtemi 8y ago
ActiveSync is the best email protocol but as far as I know is very costly. JMAP is comparable to ActiveSync but will see will gain enough adoption when RFC is finished.
- devereaux 8y ago
  Could you share your ActiveSync experience? I've wanted to use z-push with a PSQL backend for a while, mostly to cut off gmail and repatriate my email archives
  - amaccuish 8y ago
    I personally found z-push very buggy. Also you need your own DAV servers for calendar and contacts AFAIK. I found Horde and SOGo much more reliable, I went eventually with SOGo as I thought it was weird using PHP for a long running server. With php stuff (horde and z-push) I had to edit too many timeouts etc.
    - devereaux 8y ago
      Thanks, I was also considering sogo but I thought z-push would be more reliable as it is older.
      - amaccuish 8y ago
        I mean, people use it, it's not terrible, I just found it unreliable since at the end of the day it's a PHP app. Though Horde (which is also PHP) was miles better. I think z-push uses the php imap library, which is quite ineffecient. See https://wiki.horde.org/activesync#toc29 https://wiki.horde.org/activesync#toc29 SOGo being written in obj-c means it's fundamentally much better suited to this task.
tya99 8y ago
> I'm using SOGo for my family's groupware and although SOGo provide plugins for Thunderbird I used to use SOGo but found it used way too much resources. None of us really even used 'webmail' so I ditched SOGO. I went with https://radicale.org https://radicale.org most of my family either uses mail clients, Thunderbird, (with Lightning), Canary Mail (the mac user), DAVx⁵ (formerly Davdroid). Radicale allows for ldap authentication which was a must for us. On a side note the SOGO Integrator plugin took AGES to be updated for Thunderbird 60. I found https://gitlab.com/CardBook/CardBook/ https://gitlab.com/CardBook/CardBook/ to be WAY better, particularly as it replaces the crufty-old Thunderbird addressbook.
- tya99 8y ago
  On a side note I have been curious about https://www.etesync.com https://www.etesync.com but haven't tried that.

Mailtemi 8y ago

ActiveSync is the best email protocol but as far as I know is very costly. JMAP is comparable to ActiveSync but will see will gain enough adoption when RFC is finished.

devereaux 8y ago
Could you share your ActiveSync experience? I've wanted to use z-push with a PSQL backend for a while, mostly to cut off gmail and repatriate my email archives
- amaccuish 8y ago
  I personally found z-push very buggy. Also you need your own DAV servers for calendar and contacts AFAIK. I found Horde and SOGo much more reliable, I went eventually with SOGo as I thought it was weird using PHP for a long running server. With php stuff (horde and z-push) I had to edit too many timeouts etc.
  - devereaux 8y ago
    Thanks, I was also considering sogo but I thought z-push would be more reliable as it is older.
    - amaccuish 8y ago
      I mean, people use it, it's not terrible, I just found it unreliable since at the end of the day it's a PHP app. Though Horde (which is also PHP) was miles better. I think z-push uses the php imap library, which is quite ineffecient. See https://wiki.horde.org/activesync#toc29 https://wiki.horde.org/activesync#toc29 SOGo being written in obj-c means it's fundamentally much better suited to this task.

tya99 8y ago

> I'm using SOGo for my family's groupware and although SOGo provide plugins for Thunderbird I used to use SOGo but found it used way too much resources. None of us really even used 'webmail' so I ditched SOGO. I went with https://radicale.org https://radicale.org most of my family either uses mail clients, Thunderbird, (with Lightning), Canary Mail (the mac user), DAVx⁵ (formerly Davdroid). Radicale allows for ldap authentication which was a must for us. On a side note the SOGO Integrator plugin took AGES to be updated for Thunderbird 60. I found https://gitlab.com/CardBook/CardBook/ https://gitlab.com/CardBook/CardBook/ to be WAY better, particularly as it replaces the crufty-old Thunderbird addressbook.

tya99 8y ago
On a side note I have been curious about https://www.etesync.com https://www.etesync.com but haven't tried that.