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. . . I like riding the bus though. You get a window instead of being stuck in an underground tunnel. It's quieter than the train. And the drivers can actually

. . . I like riding the bus though. You get a window instead of being stuck in an underground tunnel. It's quieter than the train. And the drivers can actually make detours and improvise if there are problems. The only issue is traffic, which dedicated lanes and automatic right of way takes care of. There is also the issue of having to wait outside in bad weather for it, but if you keep headways low that's not so bad if you're already committed to having to walk to the bus shelter.

magduf 8y ago
>It's quieter than the train. Huh? What kind of trains have you been riding? Buses are noisy and have herky-jerky motion because they drive in traffic and have noisy diesel engines and are constantly accelerating and braking and turning. Trains ride on metal rails with no traffic in their way. Of course, the shitty subways in America's east coast cities somehow manage to be extremely noisy and bumpy; I'm not sure how they manage that. Subways in better places don't have this problem in my experience.
- cylinder 8y ago
  Buses are universally horrendous.
- naravara 8y ago
  >What kind of trains have you been riding? Subway trains roll on tracks in concrete tunnels that reverberate sound. They're extremely loud. It's metal on metal with grinding disc brakes. >Buses are noisy and have herky-jerky motion because they drive in traffic Buses are huge. They're generally too huge to accelerate or decelerate rapidly, so I have no experienced this herky-jerky motion you're talking about. That's much more likely in a car. >and have noisy diesel engines At this point most big cities I've been in the buses run on CNG, which is still super loud but burns much cleaner. Eventually they'll be all electric fleets though, and should be predictably quiet.
  - magduf 8y ago
    >Subway trains roll on tracks in concrete tunnels that reverberate sound. They're extremely loud. It's metal on metal with grinding disc brakes. The German subways I've ridden manage to be reasonably smooth and quiet. >Buses are huge. They're generally too huge to accelerate or decelerate rapidly, so I have no experienced this herky-jerky motion you're talking about. That's much more likely in a car. I guess you've never ridden a bus in a city. Buses can brake very effectively, like most vehicles with air brakes, and lots of riders have to stand on them, so you get thrown around a lot more than a rider in a car who's belted into a bucket seat.
    - naravara 8y ago
      >The German subways I've ridden manage to be reasonably smooth and quiet. That's probably more about good soundproofing for inside the train. But even in Tokyo I found the trains to be rather loud. >I guess you've never ridden a bus in a city. I ride one every morning, usually standing. It hasn't been a problem and I actually find our subway trains to be more prone to hard stops and starts. Intra-city buses rarely exceed 30 miles an hour anyway. I usually feel bad for the elderly, the injured, and the pregnant because it actually can be hard for them if they're stuck standing. But my ire is usually reserved for people who fail to give up their seats rather than the concept of riding a bus.

magduf 8y ago

>It's quieter than the train. Huh? What kind of trains have you been riding? Buses are noisy and have herky-jerky motion because they drive in traffic and have noisy diesel engines and are constantly accelerating and braking and turning. Trains ride on metal rails with no traffic in their way. Of course, the shitty subways in America's east coast cities somehow manage to be extremely noisy and bumpy; I'm not sure how they manage that. Subways in better places don't have this problem in my experience.

cylinder 8y ago
Buses are universally horrendous.
naravara 8y ago
>What kind of trains have you been riding? Subway trains roll on tracks in concrete tunnels that reverberate sound. They're extremely loud. It's metal on metal with grinding disc brakes. >Buses are noisy and have herky-jerky motion because they drive in traffic Buses are huge. They're generally too huge to accelerate or decelerate rapidly, so I have no experienced this herky-jerky motion you're talking about. That's much more likely in a car. >and have noisy diesel engines At this point most big cities I've been in the buses run on CNG, which is still super loud but burns much cleaner. Eventually they'll be all electric fleets though, and should be predictably quiet.
- magduf 8y ago
  >Subway trains roll on tracks in concrete tunnels that reverberate sound. They're extremely loud. It's metal on metal with grinding disc brakes. The German subways I've ridden manage to be reasonably smooth and quiet. >Buses are huge. They're generally too huge to accelerate or decelerate rapidly, so I have no experienced this herky-jerky motion you're talking about. That's much more likely in a car. I guess you've never ridden a bus in a city. Buses can brake very effectively, like most vehicles with air brakes, and lots of riders have to stand on them, so you get thrown around a lot more than a rider in a car who's belted into a bucket seat.
  - naravara 8y ago
    >The German subways I've ridden manage to be reasonably smooth and quiet. That's probably more about good soundproofing for inside the train. But even in Tokyo I found the trains to be rather loud. >I guess you've never ridden a bus in a city. I ride one every morning, usually standing. It hasn't been a problem and I actually find our subway trains to be more prone to hard stops and starts. Intra-city buses rarely exceed 30 miles an hour anyway. I usually feel bad for the elderly, the injured, and the pregnant because it actually can be hard for them if they're stuck standing. But my ire is usually reserved for people who fail to give up their seats rather than the concept of riding a bus.