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Yes, that's me. Admissions committees are looking for evidence of future success. Admitting applicants with spotty (not merely "nontraditional") backgrounds is

Yes, that's me. Admissions committees are looking for evidence of future success. Admitting applicants with spotty (not merely "nontraditional") backgrounds is risky -- they might be a diamond in the rough, or they might really be a weak student. And (at least departments like mine) there are far too many applicants with stellar backgrounds to justify taking that risk. At least, that's the usual argument.

8732332 8y ago
Would you take a risk on someone that graduated with below a 3.0 GPA with Cs in their math/computer science courses, but went back to school, took some core CS courses, aced them, got some research experience, and then applied to PhD programs?
justadudeama 8y ago
What advice would you give to undergraduates that are interested in getting a Ph.D who don't have the best of grades?
- ssalazar 8y ago
  - Work on, or help out with, a research project of a professor/established researcher in your field of interest. - Related, getting authorship (first or otherwise) for an academic publication as an undergraduate is a promising signal of future research success. - Also related, having great references from undergrad professors who are involved in research. - Connect with faculty in the PhD program you're interested in. Context: Got bad grades in undergrad courses related to my particular specialty (digital audio signal processing), but also did all of these, and was admitted to a top PhD program in my field. Also, a lot of people in my program had success with this one: - Applying for a masters in a related field or at a department that also has a PhD program that you're interested in, and having success there.
  - jefferickson 8y ago
    Yep, all this. Let me add two more points: - Own your past mistakes. They happened. Don't pretend they didn't. Figure out the underlying cause of those mistakes, and gather EVIDENCE that you've resolved that cause. (In my case, I was a LAZY undergrad. I'd never had to work in high school, and so I didn't know how to work in college. And then I got a real job, and it was either do the damn work or it'll be there tomorrow only the boss will be there in my office wondering why the hell I'm costing the company hundreds of thousands of dollars a day and why can't you just get this shit DONE already. And so when I applied for grad school the second time I had "smart but lazy" letters from my old professors, stellar GRE scores, and "smart and works hard" letters from my managers.) - APPLY WIDELY. You are at a significant disadvantage compared to other students with stronger backgrounds. Do not imagine that your passion and good intentions and maturity are enough to get you into the top programs, or even into any particular program. You're playing a lottery that's stacked against you; buy more tickets.
    - Topolomancer 8y ago
      That's very good advice! One point in particular resonated with me as it seems to be applicable to science in general: > You're playing a lottery that's stacked against you; buy more tickets. I take this to mean that is makes more sense to apply for many things, re-submit publications often (not without considering the feedback of reviewers, obviously), and so on.

8732332 8y ago

Would you take a risk on someone that graduated with below a 3.0 GPA with Cs in their math/computer science courses, but went back to school, took some core CS courses, aced them, got some research experience, and then applied to PhD programs?

justadudeama 8y ago

What advice would you give to undergraduates that are interested in getting a Ph.D who don't have the best of grades?

ssalazar 8y ago
- Work on, or help out with, a research project of a professor/established researcher in your field of interest. - Related, getting authorship (first or otherwise) for an academic publication as an undergraduate is a promising signal of future research success. - Also related, having great references from undergrad professors who are involved in research. - Connect with faculty in the PhD program you're interested in. Context: Got bad grades in undergrad courses related to my particular specialty (digital audio signal processing), but also did all of these, and was admitted to a top PhD program in my field. Also, a lot of people in my program had success with this one: - Applying for a masters in a related field or at a department that also has a PhD program that you're interested in, and having success there.
- jefferickson 8y ago
  Yep, all this. Let me add two more points: - Own your past mistakes. They happened. Don't pretend they didn't. Figure out the underlying cause of those mistakes, and gather EVIDENCE that you've resolved that cause. (In my case, I was a LAZY undergrad. I'd never had to work in high school, and so I didn't know how to work in college. And then I got a real job, and it was either do the damn work or it'll be there tomorrow only the boss will be there in my office wondering why the hell I'm costing the company hundreds of thousands of dollars a day and why can't you just get this shit DONE already. And so when I applied for grad school the second time I had "smart but lazy" letters from my old professors, stellar GRE scores, and "smart and works hard" letters from my managers.) - APPLY WIDELY. You are at a significant disadvantage compared to other students with stronger backgrounds. Do not imagine that your passion and good intentions and maturity are enough to get you into the top programs, or even into any particular program. You're playing a lottery that's stacked against you; buy more tickets.
  - Topolomancer 8y ago
    That's very good advice! One point in particular resonated with me as it seems to be applicable to science in general: > You're playing a lottery that's stacked against you; buy more tickets. I take this to mean that is makes more sense to apply for many things, re-submit publications often (not without considering the feedback of reviewers, obviously), and so on.