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Just because you don't experience images doesn't mean nobody else does either. What is it with this thought process? Stop being so self-absorbed and closed- min

Just because you don't experience images doesn't mean nobody else does either. What is it with this thought process? Stop being so self-absorbed and closed- minded to other experiences. This is yet another thread where some people aren't willing to accept others have a different sense experience or behavior or whatever else and it's infuriating. Your experience doesn't invalidate the experience of somebody else, and using your experience as the basis for this doubt is incredibly self-centered. I don't and I have never doubted in somebody not seeing images in their head when they reported that was the case, even if I do see these images, however clearly or unclearly. I don't doubt your aphantasia on the basis of my having a different sense experience.

nomel 8y ago
He said, > Thinking about that put me in mind of a curious possibility. I think your harsh reaction to his thought experiment is entirely anti-intellectual.
- Lerc 8y ago
  I certainly did not expect a simple musing to evoke such an emotive response from multiple people. This in itself is probably worthy of study (and I hope someone is already researching this area). That people have different experiences is uncontroversial, but the depth of feeling that seems to come from a challenge to one's sense experience seems disproportionately severe. Consider the Blue and Black/White and Gold dress and Laurel, Yanni. There were extremely heated arguments over these otherwise trivial curiosities.
  - jplayer01 8y ago
    > the depth of feeling that seems to come from a challenge to one's sense experience seems disproportionately severe. Yes. Because the lack of empathy is appalling. Whether it's this topic or the dress color or whatever, there's a crazy amount of lack of empathy for other points of view and other ways of experiencing the world - thus, all the pointless arguments over something that is just down to equally valid ways the brain interprets the world. I never argued with anybody what the right color was, because that was never the point or the interesting part of the whole thing - the interesting idea was what part of the brain is responsible for the differences from person to person, and that people take for granted how they experience the world.
- jplayer01 8y ago
  > I think your harsh reaction to his thought experiment is entirely anti-intellectual. I don't think that's the case. A lot of racist or discriminating ideas can come from a place of "Well, my basis for thought is my own direct experience with no regard for how other people experience it or the validity of that experience." When his doubting of other peoples sense experience is solely based on his own sense experience without any interest in scientific basis or context, it's not an intellectual line of thought - it's just pseudo-intellectual rationalization for his own sense experience.
Lerc 8y ago
Again, I am not claiming this to be true, just that it would be an interesting possibility. I'm not sure why this deserves such an abusive response. My experience does not invalidate yours, but neither does yours invalidate mine. My view is a minority perspective, you are discounting my _suggestion_ outright with a claim of being closed minded. To be clear. I do not consider it to be wrong to have the experiences such as this or not. The notion that I have declared a majority of people broken is just plain false.
- jplayer01 8y ago
  > you are discounting my _suggestion_ outright with a claim of being closed minded. Ideas can be wrong, misguided, based on false assumptions, etc. The way I experience the world, or you experience the world, is not wrong - it's just how it is. > just that it would be an interesting possibility. This interesting possibility is based on the idea that your experience is somehow indicative of a "higher" or more truthful version of reality than everybody else's. I don't see how it's in any way helpful or productive.

nomel 8y ago

He said, > Thinking about that put me in mind of a curious possibility. I think your harsh reaction to his thought experiment is entirely anti-intellectual.

Lerc 8y ago
I certainly did not expect a simple musing to evoke such an emotive response from multiple people. This in itself is probably worthy of study (and I hope someone is already researching this area). That people have different experiences is uncontroversial, but the depth of feeling that seems to come from a challenge to one's sense experience seems disproportionately severe. Consider the Blue and Black/White and Gold dress and Laurel, Yanni. There were extremely heated arguments over these otherwise trivial curiosities.
- jplayer01 8y ago
  > the depth of feeling that seems to come from a challenge to one's sense experience seems disproportionately severe. Yes. Because the lack of empathy is appalling. Whether it's this topic or the dress color or whatever, there's a crazy amount of lack of empathy for other points of view and other ways of experiencing the world - thus, all the pointless arguments over something that is just down to equally valid ways the brain interprets the world. I never argued with anybody what the right color was, because that was never the point or the interesting part of the whole thing - the interesting idea was what part of the brain is responsible for the differences from person to person, and that people take for granted how they experience the world.
jplayer01 8y ago
> I think your harsh reaction to his thought experiment is entirely anti-intellectual. I don't think that's the case. A lot of racist or discriminating ideas can come from a place of "Well, my basis for thought is my own direct experience with no regard for how other people experience it or the validity of that experience." When his doubting of other peoples sense experience is solely based on his own sense experience without any interest in scientific basis or context, it's not an intellectual line of thought - it's just pseudo-intellectual rationalization for his own sense experience.

Lerc 8y ago

Again, I am not claiming this to be true, just that it would be an interesting possibility. I'm not sure why this deserves such an abusive response. My experience does not invalidate yours, but neither does yours invalidate mine. My view is a minority perspective, you are discounting my _suggestion_ outright with a claim of being closed minded. To be clear. I do not consider it to be wrong to have the experiences such as this or not. The notion that I have declared a majority of people broken is just plain false.

jplayer01 8y ago
> you are discounting my _suggestion_ outright with a claim of being closed minded. Ideas can be wrong, misguided, based on false assumptions, etc. The way I experience the world, or you experience the world, is not wrong - it's just how it is. > just that it would be an interesting possibility. This interesting possibility is based on the idea that your experience is somehow indicative of a "higher" or more truthful version of reality than everybody else's. I don't see how it's in any way helpful or productive.