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> But the Mueller report, so far, has uncovered No, it hasn't. There has been no report.

by altairiumblue 8y ago

ronnier 8y ago
There won’t be a report until we get closer to reelection. He’ll drop it then.
nailer 8y ago
I've corrected my comment to say 'investigation' instead. The point still stands as I'm sure you're aware.
- altairiumblue 8y ago
  I don't want to get involved in long political discussions, so let's just quickly check up on some verifiable facts. From wikipedia: The investigation has resulted in dozens of indictments for federal crimes, and at least eight guilty pleas or convictions These include Trump's campaign manager, campaign adviser and personal lawyer. Plus, he has publicly appealed to Russia for help during the campaign, sided with Putin over the entire American intelligence community and admitted that he fired the Director of the FBI because of the investigation. So no, your point doesn't stand. edit: I'm deliberately not citing media outlets that can be biased or expressing any opinions in this post. If these facts (that you can check for yourself) aren't significant enough for you, I can only wish you a good day.
  - jki275 8y ago
    Almost all the indictments have been for process crimes, not for anything substantive. Essentially anyone who speaks to federal LE can be indicted for lying to federal LE, regardless of their intent. What little substantive they've come up with looks petty and ridiculous in comparison to normal operating procedure in DC -- you realize they're all criminals on both sides of the aisle, right?
  - nailer 8y ago
    Obviously, don't cite Wikipedia as Wikipedia themselves say, but ignoring that: Trumps personal lawyer is the same one I mentioned in the comment you're replying to. That's the biggest revelation yet. Do you have anything bigger or not?
    - altairiumblue 8y ago
      You conveniently ignored everything else I wrote. > he has publicly appealed to Russia for help during the campaign, sided with Putin over the entire American intelligence community and admitted that he fired the Director of the FBI because of the investigation. The crimes that he's publicly admitted to are conspiring with a foreign government against the US, election fraud and obstruction of justice. The source for these statements is Trump himself. If those aren't big enough for you, I can't help you.
      - nailer 8y ago
        > You conveniently ignored everything else I wrote. No, I ignored them because nobody has been charged with those things. > The crimes that he's publicly admitted to are conspiring with a foreign government against the US, election fraud and obstruction of justice. Reference? Not wikipedia. I'll wait.
- notacoward 8y ago
  No, it really doesn't. The indictments that come out before the full report are the cast-offs. The things they happened to find that were tangential to the main investigation, or were separated (and deemed safe to separate) for a plea bargain, etc. Their number tells us far more about the security and discretion around the main investigation than about the severity of what it has found.

> But the Mueller report, so far, has uncovered No, it hasn't. There has been no report.

ronnier 8y ago

There won’t be a report until we get closer to reelection. He’ll drop it then.

nailer 8y ago

I've corrected my comment to say 'investigation' instead. The point still stands as I'm sure you're aware.

altairiumblue 8y ago
I don't want to get involved in long political discussions, so let's just quickly check up on some verifiable facts. From wikipedia: The investigation has resulted in dozens of indictments for federal crimes, and at least eight guilty pleas or convictions These include Trump's campaign manager, campaign adviser and personal lawyer. Plus, he has publicly appealed to Russia for help during the campaign, sided with Putin over the entire American intelligence community and admitted that he fired the Director of the FBI because of the investigation. So no, your point doesn't stand. edit: I'm deliberately not citing media outlets that can be biased or expressing any opinions in this post. If these facts (that you can check for yourself) aren't significant enough for you, I can only wish you a good day.
- jki275 8y ago
  Almost all the indictments have been for process crimes, not for anything substantive. Essentially anyone who speaks to federal LE can be indicted for lying to federal LE, regardless of their intent. What little substantive they've come up with looks petty and ridiculous in comparison to normal operating procedure in DC -- you realize they're all criminals on both sides of the aisle, right?
- nailer 8y ago
  Obviously, don't cite Wikipedia as Wikipedia themselves say, but ignoring that: Trumps personal lawyer is the same one I mentioned in the comment you're replying to. That's the biggest revelation yet. Do you have anything bigger or not?
  - altairiumblue 8y ago
    You conveniently ignored everything else I wrote. > he has publicly appealed to Russia for help during the campaign, sided with Putin over the entire American intelligence community and admitted that he fired the Director of the FBI because of the investigation. The crimes that he's publicly admitted to are conspiring with a foreign government against the US, election fraud and obstruction of justice. The source for these statements is Trump himself. If those aren't big enough for you, I can't help you.
    - nailer 8y ago
      > You conveniently ignored everything else I wrote. No, I ignored them because nobody has been charged with those things. > The crimes that he's publicly admitted to are conspiring with a foreign government against the US, election fraud and obstruction of justice. Reference? Not wikipedia. I'll wait.
notacoward 8y ago
No, it really doesn't. The indictments that come out before the full report are the cast-offs. The things they happened to find that were tangential to the main investigation, or were separated (and deemed safe to separate) for a plea bargain, etc. Their number tells us far more about the security and discretion around the main investigation than about the severity of what it has found.