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There's only that much pent up demand to live in the US because our immigration policies have bottled up decades of immigrants. the borders would have to gradua

There's only that much pent up demand to live in the US because our immigration policies have bottled up decades of immigrants. the borders would have to gradually transition to fully open, sure, but after that transition the borders could be fully open. i find the idea that 150 million people would "ruin" the us to be laughable. when has immigration ever made the us worse? why do you think immigrants are worse citizens than people born here? if anything, people who want to move here are motivated people who truly believe in the promise of america -- the exact kind of people we do want.

defen 8y ago
> the borders would have to gradually transition to fully open, sure, but after that transition the borders could be fully open. Why is a transition period needed? If you believe that, then fundamentally we agree, we just differ on the rate at which immigrants should be let in. Why not just let literally anyone who wants to live here move here right now? I don't necessarily think they will ruin the US, but I certainly don't know it with the degree of certainty required for such an irreversible decision.
- Rotten194 8y ago
  just because the US infrastructure can't handle that number of people all at once. i think the rate should increase exponentially year over year to completely open borders. how does our stance differ? i want tk borders to transition to completely open and you don't... i think it's obvious
harimau777 8y ago
I agree with you that immigration has generally been a good thing and that the vast majority of immigrants would not pose any problem. However, I'm not sure that it's fair to just ignore the fact that open borders could have serious complications that would need to be addressed. If a large number of impoverished, unhealthy, or uneducated people moved to a country it could overwhelm the resources available to help them. Increased population could overwhelm the availability of things like good jobs and housing. Open borders may not be reciprocated. Many people could move to the country for economic reasons but be uninterested in or unwilling to become part of the country's culture. Many people could move to the country that do not value norms such as democracy, freedom, equality, etc. There is a limit to how quickly society can adapt to cultural change. If too many people with a dramatically different culture moved to a country, it could cause unrest.

defen 8y ago

> the borders would have to gradually transition to fully open, sure, but after that transition the borders could be fully open. Why is a transition period needed? If you believe that, then fundamentally we agree, we just differ on the rate at which immigrants should be let in. Why not just let literally anyone who wants to live here move here right now? I don't necessarily think they will ruin the US, but I certainly don't know it with the degree of certainty required for such an irreversible decision.

Rotten194 8y ago
just because the US infrastructure can't handle that number of people all at once. i think the rate should increase exponentially year over year to completely open borders. how does our stance differ? i want tk borders to transition to completely open and you don't... i think it's obvious

harimau777 8y ago

I agree with you that immigration has generally been a good thing and that the vast majority of immigrants would not pose any problem. However, I'm not sure that it's fair to just ignore the fact that open borders could have serious complications that would need to be addressed. If a large number of impoverished, unhealthy, or uneducated people moved to a country it could overwhelm the resources available to help them. Increased population could overwhelm the availability of things like good jobs and housing. Open borders may not be reciprocated. Many people could move to the country for economic reasons but be uninterested in or unwilling to become part of the country's culture. Many people could move to the country that do not value norms such as democracy, freedom, equality, etc. There is a limit to how quickly society can adapt to cultural change. If too many people with a dramatically different culture moved to a country, it could cause unrest.