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The issue here is probably more that software engineering isn't considered to be engineering in Canada. If a notable historian from a country where they call hi

The issue here is probably more that software engineering isn't considered to be engineering in Canada. If a notable historian from a country where they call historians engineers came to the country to speak, people probably would get uptight about that.

logifail 8y ago
>> The issue here is probably more that software engineering isn't considered to be engineering in Canada By whom? Canadian software engineers, other types of Canadian engineers, or by some professional engineering body that's trying to protect their profession?
- subway 8y ago
  By the legislative bodies in the provinces and territories. For instance in BC: http://www.bclaws.ca/civix/document/id/complete/statreg/96116_01 http://www.bclaws.ca/civix/document/id/complete/statreg/9611...
  - alphakilo 8y ago
    I am actually a Software Engineering Undergraduate Student in Canada. We are real engineers! We get licenced the same way through graduating from an accredited program, getting the 4 years of experience and writing an ethics exam. In Canada engineer is like lawyer. You can specialize in a certain part of law (e.g. patent, corporate, criminal). just like you specialize in certain fields (e.g. aerospace, mechanical, geomagnetic, biomed). What matters in both cases is being given a license.
    - daveFNbuck 8y ago
      I didn't know about that. Is the license legally required to be hired for all programming jobs, or just for jobs related to specific fields and government?
- daveFNbuck 8y ago
  I had assumed by everyone. As an American software engineer, I don't consider software engineering to be engineering because we don't have a professional body or licensing or standards. I didn't know Canada was any different.
  - chrisseaton 8y ago
    > I don't consider software engineering to be engineering because we don't have a professional body or licensing or standards Why would this be the defining characteristic of engineering?
    - daveFNbuck 8y ago
      It's not the defining characteristic, but I've always understood it to be a necessary requirement before a person can be called an engineer.
      - HNLogInShit 8y ago
        So a movie is not a movie until a critic reviews it?

logifail 8y ago

>> The issue here is probably more that software engineering isn't considered to be engineering in Canada By whom? Canadian software engineers, other types of Canadian engineers, or by some professional engineering body that's trying to protect their profession?

subway 8y ago
By the legislative bodies in the provinces and territories. For instance in BC: http://www.bclaws.ca/civix/document/id/complete/statreg/96116_01 http://www.bclaws.ca/civix/document/id/complete/statreg/9611...
- alphakilo 8y ago
  I am actually a Software Engineering Undergraduate Student in Canada. We are real engineers! We get licenced the same way through graduating from an accredited program, getting the 4 years of experience and writing an ethics exam. In Canada engineer is like lawyer. You can specialize in a certain part of law (e.g. patent, corporate, criminal). just like you specialize in certain fields (e.g. aerospace, mechanical, geomagnetic, biomed). What matters in both cases is being given a license.
  - daveFNbuck 8y ago
    I didn't know about that. Is the license legally required to be hired for all programming jobs, or just for jobs related to specific fields and government?
daveFNbuck 8y ago
I had assumed by everyone. As an American software engineer, I don't consider software engineering to be engineering because we don't have a professional body or licensing or standards. I didn't know Canada was any different.
- chrisseaton 8y ago
  > I don't consider software engineering to be engineering because we don't have a professional body or licensing or standards Why would this be the defining characteristic of engineering?
  - daveFNbuck 8y ago
    It's not the defining characteristic, but I've always understood it to be a necessary requirement before a person can be called an engineer.
    - HNLogInShit 8y ago
      So a movie is not a movie until a critic reviews it?