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Feeling upper class culturally is nice and all, and drawing from the studies people done on stress management it could be very beneficially, but in the end if a

by belorn 8y ago

Feeling upper class culturally is nice and all, and drawing from the studies people done on stress management it could be very beneficially, but in the end if a person is dirt poor then that is their social economical class. College is great, but here in Sweden anyone with the intellect can study for about as long they want to endure minimal income from the state, staying at a one room apartment and cook and eat the cheapest food. There are plenty of people here who been at college for 10+ years and have nothing to their name in terms of power and wealth. Because the state pay for college being in college don't convey any implied wealth. In Swedish culture, staying a long time in college can imply low social economic status. The "self made man" is a myth. Economist, sociologists, and many other in other fields have reach that conclusion. Wealth and luck always pops up as the correlating traits to more wealth and influence. With wealth you can meet and get in contact with other people with wealth. With luck you can raise money. With money you can survive the eventual bad luck. It all goes around in that circle until you either end up in top or fall out. You have 14k karma and I got 10k karma. I don't have 71% of that one person from HN that you got. No job offerings, no "social network" I can use to get attention for my projects, no followers or anything like it. My average karma score on comments is somewhere between 1 and 3. Life of a man is to be treated as unwanted unless you got money and power, otherwise no one want to even acknowledge your existence, or worse see you as a threat. Does that sound like the kind of thing that helps men exclusively succeed?

DoreenMichele 8y ago
but in the end if a person is dirt poor then that is their social economical class. If money alone determined "socioeconomic class," we wouldn't include that "socio" part in the expression. There are many more factors than current income to such things and your statement is basically just a kind of prejudice wrapped up in ignorance. My other handle has a hair over 25k karma. I appear to be the only woman to have ever spent time on the leaderboard. There absolutely are men on the leaderboard who have successfully used HN to enhance their career and their finances. Listening to this kind of dismissive crap from people on HN gets tiresome. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18512553 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18512553 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18466918 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18466918
- belorn 8y ago
  I suspect then we have two different view on how socioeconomic class came to be a scientific term and tool. From what I have studied and learned through my years in college and afterward is that when predictive models are made, it is not enough to just look at income. Location, education and occupation also play as a factor. However the reason why they do so is relevant, and rather than assuming they exist as a matter of nature I follow the reasoning behind it. If you want to call that ignorance then that says more about you than me. It just happens that studying at a location where a lot of rich people study is great correlation to wealth. Living where rich people live is similar great. Having a occupation which correlated to high income is great even if one do not have high income, as is an occupation which impact the wealth of others. All those are great proxies to wealth and power, which can result in people perceiving a person as being more wealthy. HN karma do not automatically resulted in career and financial success. It no more does that than reddit points. Networking can be fruitful but it is very context dependent. HN scores are not. If you want to believe it is all a conspiracy against women then do so, but this is the reason why I agree with 90% of your original post that cover the poverty and the importance of housing, but strongly disagree when it jumps into ranting about how you get ignored "because I'm just a woman". You have a ally in the first part, but I suspect the disagreement over the remaining 10% means you see it as opposition?

by belorn 8y ago

DoreenMichele 8y ago

but in the end if a person is dirt poor then that is their social economical class. If money alone determined "socioeconomic class," we wouldn't include that "socio" part in the expression. There are many more factors than current income to such things and your statement is basically just a kind of prejudice wrapped up in ignorance. My other handle has a hair over 25k karma. I appear to be the only woman to have ever spent time on the leaderboard. There absolutely are men on the leaderboard who have successfully used HN to enhance their career and their finances. Listening to this kind of dismissive crap from people on HN gets tiresome. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18512553 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18512553 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18466918 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18466918

belorn 8y ago
I suspect then we have two different view on how socioeconomic class came to be a scientific term and tool. From what I have studied and learned through my years in college and afterward is that when predictive models are made, it is not enough to just look at income. Location, education and occupation also play as a factor. However the reason why they do so is relevant, and rather than assuming they exist as a matter of nature I follow the reasoning behind it. If you want to call that ignorance then that says more about you than me. It just happens that studying at a location where a lot of rich people study is great correlation to wealth. Living where rich people live is similar great. Having a occupation which correlated to high income is great even if one do not have high income, as is an occupation which impact the wealth of others. All those are great proxies to wealth and power, which can result in people perceiving a person as being more wealthy. HN karma do not automatically resulted in career and financial success. It no more does that than reddit points. Networking can be fruitful but it is very context dependent. HN scores are not. If you want to believe it is all a conspiracy against women then do so, but this is the reason why I agree with 90% of your original post that cover the poverty and the importance of housing, but strongly disagree when it jumps into ranting about how you get ignored "because I'm just a woman". You have a ally in the first part, but I suspect the disagreement over the remaining 10% means you see it as opposition?