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This is a great post. And it's well written! I can definitely relate to the sentiments, but I think giving developers a "pass" on their involvement in The Scen

This is a great post. And it's well written! I can definitely relate to the sentiments, but I think giving developers a "pass" on their involvement in The Scene (or maybe their own scene) is letting them (us) off easy. We have our own superficial criteria for who's hot/not. It's what language you write, how you host, how you deploy, how you test, how you data (Yes it's a verb now. You're welcome). I know it seems like these are substantive issues. And sometimes they are. But ultimately, as long as a technical solution gets the job done, it's fine. I'm not talking about getting the job done poorly. That's not getting the job done. And as someone who's working on a very un-sexy project (that I hope will be substantive and meaningful to a lot of people outside this community), I can say being outside the scene is a cold place to be. I'm not really complaining. Nor offering a solution. So take that.

jonathanjaeger 16y ago
Brb data-ing.
sud0n1m 16y ago
Im not sure how superficial those things are. How you host, deploy, test, (data?) are important and usually rise on the merits of the technology. The larger community provides support, advice and evangelism and fuels the popularity of the technology. As a counter to my own argument... http://www.mailchimp.com/blog/ewww-you-use-php/ http://www.mailchimp.com/blog/ewww-you-use-php/
- rhizome 16y ago
  It's weird that that article is only a couple of weeks old, because I think he's putting way too fine a point on PHP backlash. Who are they interviewing and getting such pushback on PHP, people who already don't like PHP? Sure, there are language nerds and IRC-fueled rivalries, but when interviewing prospective employees it would seem they're choosing from the most myopic. If they are entry-level FOOC one-lang kids, it seems additionally strange that their attitudes would form the basis for a blog post with such sweeping characterizations. It just seems like he's either putting way to much stock into the thoughts of unseasoned professionals, or for some reason they're interviewing lots of non-PHP people for PHP positions. I don't know, his argument and reception of language backlash in this context just seems a bit dated and I'm left wondering if it's just a matter of their posting poorly-written job ads.

jonathanjaeger 16y ago

Brb data-ing.

sud0n1m 16y ago

Im not sure how superficial those things are. How you host, deploy, test, (data?) are important and usually rise on the merits of the technology. The larger community provides support, advice and evangelism and fuels the popularity of the technology. As a counter to my own argument... http://www.mailchimp.com/blog/ewww-you-use-php/ http://www.mailchimp.com/blog/ewww-you-use-php/

rhizome 16y ago
It's weird that that article is only a couple of weeks old, because I think he's putting way too fine a point on PHP backlash. Who are they interviewing and getting such pushback on PHP, people who already don't like PHP? Sure, there are language nerds and IRC-fueled rivalries, but when interviewing prospective employees it would seem they're choosing from the most myopic. If they are entry-level FOOC one-lang kids, it seems additionally strange that their attitudes would form the basis for a blog post with such sweeping characterizations. It just seems like he's either putting way to much stock into the thoughts of unseasoned professionals, or for some reason they're interviewing lots of non-PHP people for PHP positions. I don't know, his argument and reception of language backlash in this context just seems a bit dated and I'm left wondering if it's just a matter of their posting poorly-written job ads.