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In what universe would it make more sense to make the engineer liable rather than the larger corporate entity? Also, that’s not how human driving works. If you

In what universe would it make more sense to make the engineer liable rather than the larger corporate entity? Also, that’s not how human driving works. If you hit someone while following the rule of the road and not doing anything especially negligent, you won’t face criminal charges. You use the word “inevitably” but it doesn’t make sense at all with your world view.

Jedi72 8y ago
If, in the view of a court of law, it was not the algorithms fault due to negligence or whatever then I agree they are not responsible. I only ask the same rules be applied to the machine as a human. As for who ultimately pays, fine, substitute CEO or whatever. As long as someone actually does time, and it's not just a fine, because you can't put a company in prison. If we were talking about civil engineers designing a bridge that causes a death, I'm sure that chief engineers face at least some personal liability regardless of whatever shield the company offers.
- valar_m 8y ago
  Fortunately, the law is actually quite sane in this area, so there won't be any engineers going to prison for vehicular manslaughter: Manslaughter is the unlawful killing of a human being without malice. It is of three kinds: (c) Vehicular— (1) Except as provided in subdivision (a) of Section 191.5, driving a vehicle in the commission of an unlawful act, not amounting to a felony, and with gross negligence; or driving a vehicle in the commission of a lawful act which might produce death, in an unlawful manner, and with gross negligence. (2) Driving a vehicle in the commission of an unlawful act, not amounting to a felony, but without gross negligence; or driving a vehicle in the commission of a lawful act which might produce death, in an unlawful manner, but without gross negligence. (3) Driving a vehicle in connection with a violation of paragraph (3) of subdivision (a) of Section 550, where the vehicular collision or vehicular accident was knowingly caused for financial gain and proximately resulted in the death of any person. This paragraph does not prevent prosecution of a defendant for the crime of murder. [0] [0] https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=PEN&sectionNum=192 https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySectio....

Jedi72 8y ago

If, in the view of a court of law, it was not the algorithms fault due to negligence or whatever then I agree they are not responsible. I only ask the same rules be applied to the machine as a human. As for who ultimately pays, fine, substitute CEO or whatever. As long as someone actually does time, and it's not just a fine, because you can't put a company in prison. If we were talking about civil engineers designing a bridge that causes a death, I'm sure that chief engineers face at least some personal liability regardless of whatever shield the company offers.

valar_m 8y ago
Fortunately, the law is actually quite sane in this area, so there won't be any engineers going to prison for vehicular manslaughter: Manslaughter is the unlawful killing of a human being without malice. It is of three kinds: (c) Vehicular— (1) Except as provided in subdivision (a) of Section 191.5, driving a vehicle in the commission of an unlawful act, not amounting to a felony, and with gross negligence; or driving a vehicle in the commission of a lawful act which might produce death, in an unlawful manner, and with gross negligence. (2) Driving a vehicle in the commission of an unlawful act, not amounting to a felony, but without gross negligence; or driving a vehicle in the commission of a lawful act which might produce death, in an unlawful manner, but without gross negligence. (3) Driving a vehicle in connection with a violation of paragraph (3) of subdivision (a) of Section 550, where the vehicular collision or vehicular accident was knowingly caused for financial gain and proximately resulted in the death of any person. This paragraph does not prevent prosecution of a defendant for the crime of murder. [0] [0] https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=PEN&sectionNum=192 https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySectio....