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> It could help develop accountability and best engineering practices. Have you ever read books about that? There are multiple layers of awful ideas about sof

> It could help develop accountability and best engineering practices. Have you ever read books about that? There are multiple layers of awful ideas about software engineering, touted as best practice. It's a cesspit of idiocy. Too many morons are going around trying to say things about engineering practices for it to be possible to make a useful accreditation. It would also end up being a negative hiring signal, like existing certifications and Master's degrees.

rootusrootus 8y ago
A master's degree is a negative hiring signal? When did that start?
- lstodd 8y ago
  Isn't it obvious? You study for masters, or, god forbid, work on a PhD - you're missing what's going on in the industry for years while demonstrating that you're not interested in building solutions. I'm not sure I'm being sarcastic.
  - rootusrootus 8y ago
    Ha! Agree on the not-sure-if-sarcastic part. I bet you can find plenty of people who actually see it the way you describe. I'm doing a working master's program myself (yay OMSCS!) so I'm not missing out on the drudgery known as the current industry while I'm pursuing academic solutions to non-existent problems...
- SamReidHughes 8y ago
  Getting an MS is completely unimpressive, isn't it? I've read other people such as Google recruiters mention it as a negative signal, in terms of likelihood to pass the interview process.
  - rootusrootus 8y ago
    Well, as someone pursuing their masters in CS, I can't argue that it is not too impressive. I would like to know before I finish if it is actually a negative signal, though ;-). I'm at the point in my career where it won't make a bit of difference, but I would still figure on it being a mild positive if I were going into the hiring process through the front door. Maybe it will refresh my memory on algorithms enough to do well at one of those useless Google interviews :)
    - merijnv 8y ago
      > I would like to know before I finish if it is actually a negative signal, though ;-) Like all things "It Depends (TM)", I wouldn't worry about it. Since the introduction of the bachelor/master system here more people have stopped after getting their bachelor, but the "default" in much of continental Europe for technical degrees (as far as I can tell) is still to finish a master. All my friends and colleagues with masters and PhDs in CS seem to have 0 issue finding jobs or getting contacted by Google/Facebook/Amazon recruiters. So worrying about it being a negative signal seems like a waste of time.
- gowld 8y ago
  It started when students noticed which of their peers are terminal-masters candidates, and when professionals noticed which of their peers went back to school as a path to promotion. In the software field, people are expected to develop skills without handholding through school. This applies mostly to professional software masters than to pure comouter science masters or masters of engineering. There's also the the xenephobic angle that a USA masters degree is a common way for a foreign national (from a foreign undergraduate school) to get access to the USA job market.

rootusrootus 8y ago

A master's degree is a negative hiring signal? When did that start?

lstodd 8y ago
Isn't it obvious? You study for masters, or, god forbid, work on a PhD - you're missing what's going on in the industry for years while demonstrating that you're not interested in building solutions. I'm not sure I'm being sarcastic.
- rootusrootus 8y ago
  Ha! Agree on the not-sure-if-sarcastic part. I bet you can find plenty of people who actually see it the way you describe. I'm doing a working master's program myself (yay OMSCS!) so I'm not missing out on the drudgery known as the current industry while I'm pursuing academic solutions to non-existent problems...
SamReidHughes 8y ago
Getting an MS is completely unimpressive, isn't it? I've read other people such as Google recruiters mention it as a negative signal, in terms of likelihood to pass the interview process.
- rootusrootus 8y ago
  Well, as someone pursuing their masters in CS, I can't argue that it is not too impressive. I would like to know before I finish if it is actually a negative signal, though ;-). I'm at the point in my career where it won't make a bit of difference, but I would still figure on it being a mild positive if I were going into the hiring process through the front door. Maybe it will refresh my memory on algorithms enough to do well at one of those useless Google interviews :)
  - merijnv 8y ago
    > I would like to know before I finish if it is actually a negative signal, though ;-) Like all things "It Depends (TM)", I wouldn't worry about it. Since the introduction of the bachelor/master system here more people have stopped after getting their bachelor, but the "default" in much of continental Europe for technical degrees (as far as I can tell) is still to finish a master. All my friends and colleagues with masters and PhDs in CS seem to have 0 issue finding jobs or getting contacted by Google/Facebook/Amazon recruiters. So worrying about it being a negative signal seems like a waste of time.
gowld 8y ago
It started when students noticed which of their peers are terminal-masters candidates, and when professionals noticed which of their peers went back to school as a path to promotion. In the software field, people are expected to develop skills without handholding through school. This applies mostly to professional software masters than to pure comouter science masters or masters of engineering. There's also the the xenephobic angle that a USA masters degree is a common way for a foreign national (from a foreign undergraduate school) to get access to the USA job market.