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The university does not, there might be a case for a high school or any place responsible for taking care of minors to take action, and that action simply shoul

The university does not, there might be a case for a high school or any place responsible for taking care of minors to take action, and that action simply should be the same action that individuals in public should take -- call the authorities -- that is the people we pay to enforce laws. A dorm is no different than living in a apartment. When somebody threatens you living in a apartment or a house you call the cops. You don't call the landlord -- or even the owner of the property. These people are not equipped with the resources to properly handle these situations. When you give these ill equipped organizations the power and authority you remove due process -- which is an assault on everybody rights and freedoms. When these organizations are responsible for "taking action" you will end up with a real quagmire, much like the one we have today where students are kicked out of school without any investigation into any allegations later to find out accusations were made out of spite. In the cases that are real, the universities should not be involved at all, the police and courts should be -- this ensures that offenders are removed from society and not just the campus. A university is a lot like a gym, or grocery store, or a library, or even a public park -- more so with ones that take in government money. It is none of these peoples jobs -- or should it be -- to vet who they are, and or monitor or interpret peoples online behavior. If one individual has an issue with another it is their duty to take action, not some 3rd party. University is the real life, you are a adult, and people need to start acting like an adult and expecting people to act like adults. Out in the world you don't run to your teacher when you are offended, threatened, or assaulted, you take real legal action -- involve local law enforcement. People, please stop acting like University is some special place where all the rules and laws are not valid and we need a entirely new set of them to be enforced by people who not equipped to do so.

brudgers 8y ago
At an institution falling under Title IX a dorm is not entirely analogous to an apartment. There are in fact "special rules" that apply. Likewise as a organ of state government, state universities also fall under unique rules. Status as a government organ was the sole basis for it's First Amendment argument. An apartment management company cannot violate a tenant's First Amendment rights.
- fromthestart 8y ago
  >At an institution falling under Title IX a dorm is not entirely analogous to an apartment. There are in fact "special rules" that apply I believe the point is to question whether they should fall under the jurisdiction of Title IX. IMO, if college is about entering adulthood, then we should teach and expect these people to use the same systems that adults outside of college use for dealing with legal interpersonal matters.
  - mbrumlow 8y ago
    You are on point. I just want to point out though, I don't think college is about entering adulthood, it just so happens to be one of the first things adults tend to do with their new found freedom. Some chose to enter the work force, others join the army, some might decide to go back home and live in their parents basement. But at the end of the day they are still adults and have to behave like one -- this goes for the for both predators and victims of said harassment. College is for adults, and it is high time we start treating people who go to college like adults and expect of them to act like so.
    - lazyasciiart 8y ago
      Should students be required to turn 18 before enrolling at college then?
      - mbrumlow 8y ago
        That is a side topic that really has nothing to do with this. But minros are also expected to follow the laws as well. I think if you find your self in college young enough to be of question you probably are also capable of following the laws. Kroger is not reposnable for a minor misbehaving, no should any other entity beyond the minors guardian. I hold primary school speical because it is mandated on both ends -- to send your child -- and for them to receive your child -- so some requirement of provideing extra safety can be had. College on the other hand is optional, and if one does not feel safe they simply can not go. That sounds harsh but "feeling safe" is not a right and is problematic because it is so subjective.

brudgers 8y ago

At an institution falling under Title IX a dorm is not entirely analogous to an apartment. There are in fact "special rules" that apply. Likewise as a organ of state government, state universities also fall under unique rules. Status as a government organ was the sole basis for it's First Amendment argument. An apartment management company cannot violate a tenant's First Amendment rights.

fromthestart 8y ago
>At an institution falling under Title IX a dorm is not entirely analogous to an apartment. There are in fact "special rules" that apply I believe the point is to question whether they should fall under the jurisdiction of Title IX. IMO, if college is about entering adulthood, then we should teach and expect these people to use the same systems that adults outside of college use for dealing with legal interpersonal matters.
- mbrumlow 8y ago
  You are on point. I just want to point out though, I don't think college is about entering adulthood, it just so happens to be one of the first things adults tend to do with their new found freedom. Some chose to enter the work force, others join the army, some might decide to go back home and live in their parents basement. But at the end of the day they are still adults and have to behave like one -- this goes for the for both predators and victims of said harassment. College is for adults, and it is high time we start treating people who go to college like adults and expect of them to act like so.
  - lazyasciiart 8y ago
    Should students be required to turn 18 before enrolling at college then?
    - mbrumlow 8y ago
      That is a side topic that really has nothing to do with this. But minros are also expected to follow the laws as well. I think if you find your self in college young enough to be of question you probably are also capable of following the laws. Kroger is not reposnable for a minor misbehaving, no should any other entity beyond the minors guardian. I hold primary school speical because it is mandated on both ends -- to send your child -- and for them to receive your child -- so some requirement of provideing extra safety can be had. College on the other hand is optional, and if one does not feel safe they simply can not go. That sounds harsh but "feeling safe" is not a right and is problematic because it is so subjective.