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Mind providing a source for this? I read this all the time but it doesn't match my experience here in Germany.

by bauerd 8y ago

scarface74 8y ago
1.5 to 3 years doesn’t seem to be too far off the mark. https://insights.dice.com/2016/07/08/how-long-do-tech-pros-stay-in-their-jobs/ https://insights.dice.com/2016/07/08/how-long-do-tech-pros-s...
- gammateam 8y ago
  Thanks for the backup Maybe some people stop wasting their lives tallying the years instead of tallying those 000s In b4 “but I like my manager and team”
- microtherion 8y ago
  Hmm, data compiled from "Public Profiles". I wonder where they got "Public Profiles", listing people's profession and length of tenure. Could it be places like LinkedIn or Dice, and could it be that such places overrepresent engineers inclined to switch jobs? Personally, I'd be disinclined to interview a candidate with >= 3 jobs on the resumé, none of which lasted longer than 2 years. Taking into account the time spent for them to get up to speed, and the time their successors would have to spend taking over their code, it seems unlikely that their tenure would make much of a positive impact. Furthermore, a key driver of experience in software engineers is maintaining their own code over multiple product cycles. Job hoppers not only don't acquire that experience, but may actively fall into a habit of bailing as soon as they get sick of their own code.
  - scarface74 8y ago
    Well,two points. - Salary compression especially early on in your career is real. Most companies don’t do market adjustments after you are hired and only adjust salaries by a predetermined very low amount. The only way to get market salaries is by frequent job changes. - If you have a job and people are willing to hire a job hopper, why not leave? At some point it will be a negative but when that time comes, just stay at a job until you get a better one. Also, if you do change jobs make sure it’s for the right reasons. For me, it’s technology, environment, and money in that order.
- bauerd 8y ago
  Covers only the SF region (with a questionable data gathering methodology).
majewsky 8y ago
Same for me. I've been at SAP for nearly 7 years now, and I know only a handful colleagues who left the company. Some people moved to different teams though, so that may count as well, but retention is still way way way higher than 1.5 or 2 years.

Mind providing a source for this? I read this all the time but it doesn't match my experience here in Germany.

by bauerd 8y ago

Mind providing a source for this? I read this all the time but it doesn't match my experience here in Germany.

1.5 to 3 years doesn’t seem to be too far off the mark. https://insights.dice.com/2016/07/08/how-long-do-tech-pros-stay-in-their-jobs/ https://insights.dice.com/2016/07/08/how-long-do-tech-pros-s...

gammateam 8y ago
Thanks for the backup Maybe some people stop wasting their lives tallying the years instead of tallying those 000s In b4 “but I like my manager and team”
microtherion 8y ago
Hmm, data compiled from "Public Profiles". I wonder where they got "Public Profiles", listing people's profession and length of tenure. Could it be places like LinkedIn or Dice, and could it be that such places overrepresent engineers inclined to switch jobs? Personally, I'd be disinclined to interview a candidate with >= 3 jobs on the resumé, none of which lasted longer than 2 years. Taking into account the time spent for them to get up to speed, and the time their successors would have to spend taking over their code, it seems unlikely that their tenure would make much of a positive impact. Furthermore, a key driver of experience in software engineers is maintaining their own code over multiple product cycles. Job hoppers not only don't acquire that experience, but may actively fall into a habit of bailing as soon as they get sick of their own code.
- scarface74 8y ago
  Well,two points. - Salary compression especially early on in your career is real. Most companies don’t do market adjustments after you are hired and only adjust salaries by a predetermined very low amount. The only way to get market salaries is by frequent job changes. - If you have a job and people are willing to hire a job hopper, why not leave? At some point it will be a negative but when that time comes, just stay at a job until you get a better one. Also, if you do change jobs make sure it’s for the right reasons. For me, it’s technology, environment, and money in that order.
bauerd 8y ago
Covers only the SF region (with a questionable data gathering methodology).

majewsky 8y ago

Same for me. I've been at SAP for nearly 7 years now, and I know only a handful colleagues who left the company. Some people moved to different teams though, so that may count as well, but retention is still way way way higher than 1.5 or 2 years.