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the problem with 'wins the lottery' as a metaphor to me is basically that one is calling the winner a jerk.. if I suddenly could retire without a care in the w

by cat199 8y ago

the problem with 'wins the lottery' as a metaphor to me is basically that one is calling the winner a jerk.. if I suddenly could retire without a care in the world, I probably wouldn't mind dropping in for a day or two every now and again for knowledge transfer, even if I didn't like the company overall, to help my teammates..

EliAndrewC 8y ago
At my job we say "hit by the lottery bus" to make it clear that we're using a euphemism for "what if this person quits".
freedomben 8y ago
I am the same way, but we are not the norm. In fact, most people don't even want to provide the occasional consulting once they leave the team (but stay at the company), let alone the company. There's also the problem of where to draw the line. Is a quick question ok? What about a bunch of questions? What about asking for a training session? What if the question requires diving back in to the source code to answer? Everybody has a different opinion and tolerance threshold.
- grogenaut 8y ago
  I’m happy to provide consulting if you’re happy to actually pay me for my time. Otherwise I’ve got hobbies. I’ve had one job total where the company asked me questions and they stopped the instant I mentioned cash after 7 hours of chatting. I asked because it was actually taking measurable time to answer things. It’s up to them if they want to trade 60 hours of someone relearning a thing instead of an hour of me contracting. Not sour grapes actual numbers from a thing an employee mentioned at a party they did (gdpr) that I had 3 simple solutions to in minutes.
- CM30 8y ago
  Yep. In every company I've been in here in the UK, I have pretty much never heard of an ex employee returning to explain their work, fix a bug, do training, etc. And well, the more people leave a company, the less likely they are to come back to help at all, cause of a 'toxic' atmosphere or sub par working conditions.
  - jimnotgym 8y ago
    I think pride plays its part here. People want to prove that they could indeed cope without the person. I think there is also the point where people think, "we are going to have to learn this stuff one day, it may as well be now". In some key-person areas long notice periods (3months, for instance) are the norm. However this is never going to be the most productive 3 months of anyone's life! Serving 3 months notice becomes very dull by the end...
- paulie_a 8y ago
  I will never do consulting again for a former employee unless I get paid upfront. A previous employer "adjusted" an incredibly reasonable bill. Then two months later their nginx server goes down and he calls me in a panic. I required them to deliver the check before I even took a look at it. Out of spite I charged him a near egregious amount because of that. On the plus side the office manager had a grin on her face, she forced the owner to pay the full amount of the previous bill. She thought it was incredibly underhanded.

by cat199 8y ago

EliAndrewC 8y ago

At my job we say "hit by the lottery bus" to make it clear that we're using a euphemism for "what if this person quits".

freedomben 8y ago

I am the same way, but we are not the norm. In fact, most people don't even want to provide the occasional consulting once they leave the team (but stay at the company), let alone the company. There's also the problem of where to draw the line. Is a quick question ok? What about a bunch of questions? What about asking for a training session? What if the question requires diving back in to the source code to answer? Everybody has a different opinion and tolerance threshold.

grogenaut 8y ago
I’m happy to provide consulting if you’re happy to actually pay me for my time. Otherwise I’ve got hobbies. I’ve had one job total where the company asked me questions and they stopped the instant I mentioned cash after 7 hours of chatting. I asked because it was actually taking measurable time to answer things. It’s up to them if they want to trade 60 hours of someone relearning a thing instead of an hour of me contracting. Not sour grapes actual numbers from a thing an employee mentioned at a party they did (gdpr) that I had 3 simple solutions to in minutes.
CM30 8y ago
Yep. In every company I've been in here in the UK, I have pretty much never heard of an ex employee returning to explain their work, fix a bug, do training, etc. And well, the more people leave a company, the less likely they are to come back to help at all, cause of a 'toxic' atmosphere or sub par working conditions.
- jimnotgym 8y ago
  I think pride plays its part here. People want to prove that they could indeed cope without the person. I think there is also the point where people think, "we are going to have to learn this stuff one day, it may as well be now". In some key-person areas long notice periods (3months, for instance) are the norm. However this is never going to be the most productive 3 months of anyone's life! Serving 3 months notice becomes very dull by the end...
paulie_a 8y ago
I will never do consulting again for a former employee unless I get paid upfront. A previous employer "adjusted" an incredibly reasonable bill. Then two months later their nginx server goes down and he calls me in a panic. I required them to deliver the check before I even took a look at it. Out of spite I charged him a near egregious amount because of that. On the plus side the office manager had a grin on her face, she forced the owner to pay the full amount of the previous bill. She thought it was incredibly underhanded.