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I really wish we would take a reciprocal foreign policy. For every one of our people they detain without legit cause, we do the same.

brianwawok 8y ago
You really wish random people had to sit in jail due to a political and trade wars between two superpowers? Do you volunteer to sit in jail as one of the first victims?
eximius 8y ago
They don't give a shit about their people. We do. That's not going to end well.
- JumpCrisscross 8y ago
  > They don't give a shit about their people Beijing doesn’t care about the average Chinese. But its elites? It cares as much as any other government.
  - eximius 8y ago
    Eh, I can buy it. But how many Chinese elites can we find to arrest in North America? Aside from the fact that it's morally reprehensible...
    - JumpCrisscross 8y ago
      Agree on its reprehensibility. Detaining random foreign nationals isn’t a game I want us to play.
MrMorden 8y ago
There are plenty of legitimate pressure points. The CPC elites value sending their children to Western countries for education, frequently under pseudonyms. Stop giving them visas, or allow it but make sure the Chinese public knows. Beyond enforcement of multilateral sanctions (especially the NK ones), the US and Canada (and the UK) could make it much more difficult for the elites to move assets out of China. Ban anonymous ownership of property, and start enforcing Chinese currency-control laws on government-connected individuals. Sure, President Xi might be able to evade Chinese law in China, but good luck convincing the Southern District of New York to look the other way. Any ethical concerns aside, why would we break our own laws when enforcing them (and China's as written) is much more effective?
DeonPenny 8y ago
No you don't, because then it makes it seems like you laws are arbitrary and can be swayed by politics. It seems like a good idea now but look around at how abusive that ability can be.
- Maskawanian 8y ago
  Don't speak for me, I think it is fair to treat others in the same manner that they treat you. If it only applies to foreign nationals, that puts pressure on them to act appropriately. For example, we should be subjecting Americans to the TSA bullshit that they dole on others.

brianwawok 8y ago

You really wish random people had to sit in jail due to a political and trade wars between two superpowers? Do you volunteer to sit in jail as one of the first victims?

eximius 8y ago

They don't give a shit about their people. We do. That's not going to end well.

JumpCrisscross 8y ago
> They don't give a shit about their people Beijing doesn’t care about the average Chinese. But its elites? It cares as much as any other government.
- eximius 8y ago
  Eh, I can buy it. But how many Chinese elites can we find to arrest in North America? Aside from the fact that it's morally reprehensible...
  - JumpCrisscross 8y ago
    Agree on its reprehensibility. Detaining random foreign nationals isn’t a game I want us to play.

MrMorden 8y ago

There are plenty of legitimate pressure points. The CPC elites value sending their children to Western countries for education, frequently under pseudonyms. Stop giving them visas, or allow it but make sure the Chinese public knows. Beyond enforcement of multilateral sanctions (especially the NK ones), the US and Canada (and the UK) could make it much more difficult for the elites to move assets out of China. Ban anonymous ownership of property, and start enforcing Chinese currency-control laws on government-connected individuals. Sure, President Xi might be able to evade Chinese law in China, but good luck convincing the Southern District of New York to look the other way. Any ethical concerns aside, why would we break our own laws when enforcing them (and China's as written) is much more effective?

DeonPenny 8y ago

No you don't, because then it makes it seems like you laws are arbitrary and can be swayed by politics. It seems like a good idea now but look around at how abusive that ability can be.

Maskawanian 8y ago
Don't speak for me, I think it is fair to treat others in the same manner that they treat you. If it only applies to foreign nationals, that puts pressure on them to act appropriately. For example, we should be subjecting Americans to the TSA bullshit that they dole on others.