5 ms·

A person with money can get an audience regardless of gender, while a person without money will be ignored regardless of gender. It like the song, "money don't

by belorn 8y ago

A person with money can get an audience regardless of gender, while a person without money will be ignored regardless of gender. It like the song, "money don't talk, it swears". To quote a professor in biology, neurology and neurological science, the biggest mistake a individual can do is to be born in the wrong socioeconomic class. If I know the trick for a person in the wrong socioeconomic class to get a massive audience and engagement, in spite of being male, I would change so much in the world. Sadly I don't, which is a bit depressing to be saying at this time of the year. But I do find some comfort that socioeconomic status is only relative. A person that is rich, or a person where everyone else beside them is poor, has the same socioeconomic status. They get the same audience, same engagement, same health benefit and social power. If there were a way to damping the perceived social status signals that people use, we could in theory create a online space which socioeconomic class had no effect. Alternative we could hope that culture would reduce how we grant social status, but that political fight had its prime around 50 years ago and been replaced by more tribal themes like gender. I really wish the discussion would go back and focus on those issues you brought up in the first 50% of the comment, ie health care, housing and food which given the Maslow's hierarchy has a very large effect on the stability of nations.

DoreenMichele 8y ago
I have six years of college. I come from a secure family background that was more upper class than I realized. I thought my family was a bunch of poor working class stiffs. My mother's mother came from a low level German noble family. They sold the title when the family fell on hard times. I'm pretty damn upper class culturally. I'm just broke, in part because "no girls allowed in the old boys club." So I can't get access to the kind of information that helps men succeed. I was basically a dilettante and didn't know it. There are plenty of "self made" men on HN. They don't have any trouble translating interest in their comments on HN into traffic for their projects. I can't do the same. After more than nine years here, I know exactly one person from HN who is willing to talk to me regularly and he's currently banned. He can't play by the rules, which is part of why he's willing to talk to me: he also doesn't abide by the rule of "no girls allowed" and "oh, my god, what if people think exchanging emails equals some kind of internet affair???????!!!" So anyone whose actually socially acceptable is incapable of treating my like anything but a piece of ass who should be seen and not heard, and preferably seen in something sexy. Otherwise, STFU, no one wants to hear what a woman thinks, basically.
- belorn 8y ago
  Feeling upper class culturally is nice and all, and drawing from the studies people done on stress management it could be very beneficially, but in the end if a person is dirt poor then that is their social economical class. College is great, but here in Sweden anyone with the intellect can study for about as long they want to endure minimal income from the state, staying at a one room apartment and cook and eat the cheapest food. There are plenty of people here who been at college for 10+ years and have nothing to their name in terms of power and wealth. Because the state pay for college being in college don't convey any implied wealth. In Swedish culture, staying a long time in college can imply low social economic status. The "self made man" is a myth. Economist, sociologists, and many other in other fields have reach that conclusion. Wealth and luck always pops up as the correlating traits to more wealth and influence. With wealth you can meet and get in contact with other people with wealth. With luck you can raise money. With money you can survive the eventual bad luck. It all goes around in that circle until you either end up in top or fall out. You have 14k karma and I got 10k karma. I don't have 71% of that one person from HN that you got. No job offerings, no "social network" I can use to get attention for my projects, no followers or anything like it. My average karma score on comments is somewhere between 1 and 3. Life of a man is to be treated as unwanted unless you got money and power, otherwise no one want to even acknowledge your existence, or worse see you as a threat. Does that sound like the kind of thing that helps men exclusively succeed?
  - DoreenMichele 8y ago
    but in the end if a person is dirt poor then that is their social economical class. If money alone determined "socioeconomic class," we wouldn't include that "socio" part in the expression. There are many more factors than current income to such things and your statement is basically just a kind of prejudice wrapped up in ignorance. My other handle has a hair over 25k karma. I appear to be the only woman to have ever spent time on the leaderboard. There absolutely are men on the leaderboard who have successfully used HN to enhance their career and their finances. Listening to this kind of dismissive crap from people on HN gets tiresome. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18512553 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18512553 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18466918 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18466918

by belorn 8y ago

DoreenMichele 8y ago

I have six years of college. I come from a secure family background that was more upper class than I realized. I thought my family was a bunch of poor working class stiffs. My mother's mother came from a low level German noble family. They sold the title when the family fell on hard times. I'm pretty damn upper class culturally. I'm just broke, in part because "no girls allowed in the old boys club." So I can't get access to the kind of information that helps men succeed. I was basically a dilettante and didn't know it. There are plenty of "self made" men on HN. They don't have any trouble translating interest in their comments on HN into traffic for their projects. I can't do the same. After more than nine years here, I know exactly one person from HN who is willing to talk to me regularly and he's currently banned. He can't play by the rules, which is part of why he's willing to talk to me: he also doesn't abide by the rule of "no girls allowed" and "oh, my god, what if people think exchanging emails equals some kind of internet affair???????!!!" So anyone whose actually socially acceptable is incapable of treating my like anything but a piece of ass who should be seen and not heard, and preferably seen in something sexy. Otherwise, STFU, no one wants to hear what a woman thinks, basically.

belorn 8y ago
Feeling upper class culturally is nice and all, and drawing from the studies people done on stress management it could be very beneficially, but in the end if a person is dirt poor then that is their social economical class. College is great, but here in Sweden anyone with the intellect can study for about as long they want to endure minimal income from the state, staying at a one room apartment and cook and eat the cheapest food. There are plenty of people here who been at college for 10+ years and have nothing to their name in terms of power and wealth. Because the state pay for college being in college don't convey any implied wealth. In Swedish culture, staying a long time in college can imply low social economic status. The "self made man" is a myth. Economist, sociologists, and many other in other fields have reach that conclusion. Wealth and luck always pops up as the correlating traits to more wealth and influence. With wealth you can meet and get in contact with other people with wealth. With luck you can raise money. With money you can survive the eventual bad luck. It all goes around in that circle until you either end up in top or fall out. You have 14k karma and I got 10k karma. I don't have 71% of that one person from HN that you got. No job offerings, no "social network" I can use to get attention for my projects, no followers or anything like it. My average karma score on comments is somewhere between 1 and 3. Life of a man is to be treated as unwanted unless you got money and power, otherwise no one want to even acknowledge your existence, or worse see you as a threat. Does that sound like the kind of thing that helps men exclusively succeed?
- DoreenMichele 8y ago
  but in the end if a person is dirt poor then that is their social economical class. If money alone determined "socioeconomic class," we wouldn't include that "socio" part in the expression. There are many more factors than current income to such things and your statement is basically just a kind of prejudice wrapped up in ignorance. My other handle has a hair over 25k karma. I appear to be the only woman to have ever spent time on the leaderboard. There absolutely are men on the leaderboard who have successfully used HN to enhance their career and their finances. Listening to this kind of dismissive crap from people on HN gets tiresome. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18512553 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18512553 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18466918 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18466918