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Odd wording to describe a replanted forest as "desolate waste". If anything one may suspect you are not being fully honest to leave out the "then they spent mil

Odd wording to describe a replanted forest as "desolate waste". If anything one may suspect you are not being fully honest to leave out the "then they spent millions to try and return to the forest to its original state."

captainperl 8y ago
> Odd wording to describe a replanted forest as "desolate waste". I know you're trolling, but planting trees doesn't replace an entire ecosystem. Check out a palm oil plantation sometimes for what a desolate forest looks like.
- Danieru 8y ago
  Ah, so you were aware that the forests are replanted. You choose instead not to provide others with this information or inform that, but rather to editorialize. Now someone has asked you to justify how a replanted green forest is "desolate". Please keep on topic, we are talking about the tar sands not pal oil. Yes I know both have oil in the name but please understand they are not the same oil. Please for your own safety do not drink the tar sands. Now back to your statement. Do you retract your claim of desolation? Or can you provide any evidence to support your position. Please do not reference palm oil in relation to the tar sands. No palm trees grow in Fort Mac.
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  - greglindahl 8y ago
    Did you look at the usernames? Different users.
- AnimalMuppet 8y ago
  First: No, I'm pretty sure that Danieru was not trolling. Second, HN guidelines say that one should not accuse someone else of trolling. It almost never leads to a decent discussion.
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ip26 8y ago
When Alberta’s oil sands industry marked its 40th anniversary in 2007, one statistic stood out among the many that measure economic success and environmental impact: Not a single acre of mined land had been certified as being “reclaimed” to government standards. Lee Foote, a University of Alberta wetlands ecologist who has worked with the tar sands industry and advised the Alberta government on wetland reclamation policies, agrees that reclamation has so far been done more for public show than to create viable ecosystems. “The mindset is to throw big dollars at engineering designer wetlands that are green but not nearly as functional as what was there in the past,” says Foote. “The main aim is to get the social license that is needed for these companies to continue operating.” -- https://e360.yale.edu/features/on_ravaged_tar_sands_lands_big_challenges_for_reclamation https://e360.yale.edu/features/on_ravaged_tar_sands_lands_bi...
- specialist 8y ago
  Same kabuki happens with developers & timber vs salmon fisheries. One county in my state even bothers with monitoring, enforcement. Not a single issued citation (fine) was ever collected (during the study period). Maddening.

captainperl 8y ago

> Odd wording to describe a replanted forest as "desolate waste". I know you're trolling, but planting trees doesn't replace an entire ecosystem. Check out a palm oil plantation sometimes for what a desolate forest looks like.

Danieru 8y ago
Ah, so you were aware that the forests are replanted. You choose instead not to provide others with this information or inform that, but rather to editorialize. Now someone has asked you to justify how a replanted green forest is "desolate". Please keep on topic, we are talking about the tar sands not pal oil. Yes I know both have oil in the name but please understand they are not the same oil. Please for your own safety do not drink the tar sands. Now back to your statement. Do you retract your claim of desolation? Or can you provide any evidence to support your position. Please do not reference palm oil in relation to the tar sands. No palm trees grow in Fort Mac.
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- greglindahl 8y ago
  Did you look at the usernames? Different users.
AnimalMuppet 8y ago
First: No, I'm pretty sure that Danieru was not trolling. Second, HN guidelines say that one should not accuse someone else of trolling. It almost never leads to a decent discussion.
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ip26 8y ago

When Alberta’s oil sands industry marked its 40th anniversary in 2007, one statistic stood out among the many that measure economic success and environmental impact: Not a single acre of mined land had been certified as being “reclaimed” to government standards. Lee Foote, a University of Alberta wetlands ecologist who has worked with the tar sands industry and advised the Alberta government on wetland reclamation policies, agrees that reclamation has so far been done more for public show than to create viable ecosystems. “The mindset is to throw big dollars at engineering designer wetlands that are green but not nearly as functional as what was there in the past,” says Foote. “The main aim is to get the social license that is needed for these companies to continue operating.” -- https://e360.yale.edu/features/on_ravaged_tar_sands_lands_big_challenges_for_reclamation https://e360.yale.edu/features/on_ravaged_tar_sands_lands_bi...

specialist 8y ago
Same kabuki happens with developers & timber vs salmon fisheries. One county in my state even bothers with monitoring, enforcement. Not a single issued citation (fine) was ever collected (during the study period). Maddening.