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The V4Z80P - A Z80 Based Laptop

103 points by shard 16y ago

erikano 16y ago
From Wikipedia's article on the (Nintendo) Game Boy Color[1]: "The processor, which is a Z80 workalike made by Sharp with a few extra (bit manipulation) instructions, has a clock speed of approx." From Wikipedia's article on the (Texas Instruments) TI-84 Plus Series[2]: "CPU: Zilog Z80 15 MHz, with 6 MHz compatibility mode." Does this mean that a simple program written in Z80 Assembly could be run on both V4Z80P and Game Boy Color and/or TI-84 Plus with minor to no modifications? Does anybody know of any examples of this? [1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_Boy_Color http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_Boy_Color [2]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TI-84_Plus_series http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TI-84_Plus_series
- rbarooah 16y ago
  No, because these machines have different I/O & graphics hardware and no common operating system or BIOS layer to abstract them.
  - chipsy 16y ago
    The specs are not just different, they're pretty much unresolvable. The TI-8x series - even the 68k-based TI-89 - uses a 1-bit raster display(grayscale is achieved with CPU-heavy high-frequency toggling) with different resolutions and wider aspect ratios than the Game Boy, and it has no built-in audio. The Game Boy has character-mapped sprite, background, and foreground layers and audio functions with pulse, DPCM, and noise channels(it should also be noted that like the NES before it, sound functions are integrated onto a custom CPU; it has a substantially different instruction set that is a cross of 8080 and Z80 capabilities). They both have plenty of buttons, so there is at least a common functionality subset there. The main advantage of the TI is that there's a large amount of memory/storage for an 8-bit processor(128kb, 48kb user data within the OS, 1.5MB flash). The Game Boy, like most cartridge consoles, is memory-starved and relies on ROM for everything. So there's little hope for porting TI games to Game Boy, as well. Edit: Despite this, someone did a GB emulator: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a9ZhxMREj0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a9ZhxMREj0 It has quite a few quality issues.
plinkplonk 16y ago
whoa! Very impressive. I'd buy one of these if it were for sale. I sometimes wonder why someone doesn't reissue the old Sinclair, Commodore, BBC, and Amiga machines as a "retro special edition"(licensing issues?). My first computer was an ZX Spectrum and I'd gladly pay for a brand new machine.
- lkozma 16y ago
  same here, I started on a ZX clone and really regret selling it for the equivalent of $15 when it was still working but I got a 386.
  - konad 16y ago
    you can still buy them, I got a zx81 with 16k ram pack not long ago for $40
- eternauta3k 16y ago
  Old HP computers (the 95LX, 100LX and 200LX) still sell for upwards of $100 on eBay. Still, there probably aren't enough enthusiasts to justify launching a new product.
- iuguy 16y ago
  Over at http://www.zxbada.bbk.org/badaloc_fpga/index.htm http://www.zxbada.bbk.org/badaloc_fpga/index.htm there's a Xilinx Spartan FPGA project. It should be possible to shoehorn this into a laptop case too.
- Jeema3000 16y ago
  Well it has happened - just not with home computers like the ZX Spectrum or Commodore 64, per se. I'm thinking specifically of the Atari Flashback 2, which was a single-chip reimplementation of the Atari 2600 (even has cartridge connector solder points on the board). Then there's also the innumerable NES, Super NES, and Sega Megadrive/Genesis clones that have been produced recently...
  - rhoeft 16y ago
michael_dorfman 16y ago
I'm an old 6502 guy myself, but this is seriously cool. I love projects like this-- I hope it inspires others, especially the young'uns, to take a look at some of the chips of yesterday.
WalterGR 16y ago
Originally I/O was fixed to the IDE port allowing master and slave drives called IDE0: and IDE1: but now drive names are more virtual and are assigned to devices (“DRV0:”, “DRV1:” etc) Is that wise? Shouldn't they be prefixed/suffixed with forward slashes?
Nate75Sanders 16y ago
An upgraded version of the Osborne 1? :) http://oldcomputers.net/osborne.html http://oldcomputers.net/osborne.html 5" screen...Z80...
DanielH 16y ago
I like what these guys did with one of his boards :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8hL3Eiqh_c http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8hL3Eiqh_c
rwmj 16y ago
The video is excellent :-)
t3rcio 16y ago
a work of art...
jfb 16y ago
Utterly heroic singing piggery. My hat's off to the OP.
zavulon 16y ago
Needs to have BASIC commands painted on the keys :))

103 points by shard 16y ago

From Wikipedia's article on the (Nintendo) Game Boy Color[1]: "The processor, which is a Z80 workalike made by Sharp with a few extra (bit manipulation) instructions, has a clock speed of approx." From Wikipedia's article on the (Texas Instruments) TI-84 Plus Series[2]: "CPU: Zilog Z80 15 MHz, with 6 MHz compatibility mode." Does this mean that a simple program written in Z80 Assembly could be run on both V4Z80P and Game Boy Color and/or TI-84 Plus with minor to no modifications? Does anybody know of any examples of this? [1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_Boy_Color http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_Boy_Color [2]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TI-84_Plus_series http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TI-84_Plus_series

rbarooah 16y ago
No, because these machines have different I/O & graphics hardware and no common operating system or BIOS layer to abstract them.
- chipsy 16y ago
  The specs are not just different, they're pretty much unresolvable. The TI-8x series - even the 68k-based TI-89 - uses a 1-bit raster display(grayscale is achieved with CPU-heavy high-frequency toggling) with different resolutions and wider aspect ratios than the Game Boy, and it has no built-in audio. The Game Boy has character-mapped sprite, background, and foreground layers and audio functions with pulse, DPCM, and noise channels(it should also be noted that like the NES before it, sound functions are integrated onto a custom CPU; it has a substantially different instruction set that is a cross of 8080 and Z80 capabilities). They both have plenty of buttons, so there is at least a common functionality subset there. The main advantage of the TI is that there's a large amount of memory/storage for an 8-bit processor(128kb, 48kb user data within the OS, 1.5MB flash). The Game Boy, like most cartridge consoles, is memory-starved and relies on ROM for everything. So there's little hope for porting TI games to Game Boy, as well. Edit: Despite this, someone did a GB emulator: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a9ZhxMREj0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a9ZhxMREj0 It has quite a few quality issues.

plinkplonk 16y ago

whoa! Very impressive. I'd buy one of these if it were for sale. I sometimes wonder why someone doesn't reissue the old Sinclair, Commodore, BBC, and Amiga machines as a "retro special edition"(licensing issues?). My first computer was an ZX Spectrum and I'd gladly pay for a brand new machine.

lkozma 16y ago
same here, I started on a ZX clone and really regret selling it for the equivalent of $15 when it was still working but I got a 386.
- konad 16y ago
  you can still buy them, I got a zx81 with 16k ram pack not long ago for $40
eternauta3k 16y ago
Old HP computers (the 95LX, 100LX and 200LX) still sell for upwards of $100 on eBay. Still, there probably aren't enough enthusiasts to justify launching a new product.
iuguy 16y ago
Over at http://www.zxbada.bbk.org/badaloc_fpga/index.htm http://www.zxbada.bbk.org/badaloc_fpga/index.htm there's a Xilinx Spartan FPGA project. It should be possible to shoehorn this into a laptop case too.
Jeema3000 16y ago
Well it has happened - just not with home computers like the ZX Spectrum or Commodore 64, per se. I'm thinking specifically of the Atari Flashback 2, which was a single-chip reimplementation of the Atari 2600 (even has cartridge connector solder points on the board). Then there's also the innumerable NES, Super NES, and Sega Megadrive/Genesis clones that have been produced recently...
- rhoeft 16y ago

michael_dorfman 16y ago

I'm an old 6502 guy myself, but this is seriously cool. I love projects like this-- I hope it inspires others, especially the young'uns, to take a look at some of the chips of yesterday.

WalterGR 16y ago

Originally I/O was fixed to the IDE port allowing master and slave drives called IDE0: and IDE1: but now drive names are more virtual and are assigned to devices (“DRV0:”, “DRV1:” etc) Is that wise? Shouldn't they be prefixed/suffixed with forward slashes?

Nate75Sanders 16y ago

An upgraded version of the Osborne 1? :) http://oldcomputers.net/osborne.html http://oldcomputers.net/osborne.html 5" screen...Z80...

DanielH 16y ago

I like what these guys did with one of his boards :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8hL3Eiqh_c http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8hL3Eiqh_c

rwmj 16y ago

The video is excellent :-)

t3rcio 16y ago

a work of art...

jfb 16y ago

Utterly heroic singing piggery. My hat's off to the OP.

zavulon 16y ago

Needs to have BASIC commands painted on the keys :))