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The best techniques for MMA, it's still a sport; more realistic than traditional boxing, but then that's a pretty low bar. I've been training martial arts for 2

The best techniques for MMA, it's still a sport; more realistic than traditional boxing, but then that's a pretty low bar. I've been training martial arts for 25 years and I wouldn't put myself in there for all the money in the world. It's brutally violent, and the most successful fighters are very well trained and don't seem to give a shit about messing their opponents up for life; but it still has nothing to do with martial arts. Wrapping your legs around your opponent's waist and rolling around on the ground for minutes ceases to be a good idea the second you leave the ring. While breaking fingers, ribs, poking eyes, punching throats and kicking knees and groins suddenly become viable options. In most cases; the sooner you can get the hell out of there the better, because the risk of getting into trouble increases fast in a street fight.

zarkov99 8y ago
I am sorry but this eye poke, throat punch nonsense has been debunked over and over again: a) those things are not nearly as devastating as they sound and b) in a fight both people can do it, more so the person who has positional control. Browsing youtube searching for street fights where BJJ is used is pretty illuminating as to exactly how effective it is. Short of MMA there isn't anything else quite as useful, though you are right that getting the hell out is the best option if possible.
- sifoobar 8y ago
  No it hasn't, because it works. Otherwise they wouldn't be forbidden in the ring, would they? There's plenty of Bullshit Do out there, no doubt. But there is also plenty of useful knowledge and experienced teachers that you miss if you assume that everyone who came before you was a complete idiot. Many martial arts were honed into more or less perfection over hundreds of years by people just as intelligent as you and me, but with generations of experience from actual mortal combat. Living another day is a pretty good motivation for training and evolving. Much of that is still around, but it's not being marketed. Because it's not what most people are looking for, it's too real and ego-killing. Because it's barely allowed; you can't spar out in the open with real knives or swords for example, you'll end up in a cell before you know what happened. And because it's been Disneyfied, by people like Jack Mace and Master Wong. Once you've spent tens of years really training martial arts, as opposed to sports or pretending in silly uniforms; there's not going to be much to prove any more. If there is, you're doing it wrong. I prefer not fighting, people get hurt best case. So I can't really show you anything that looks like MMA, because that's just not how we train. And we don't do competitions; because there are no winners; just two banged up idiots, one happy and one sad. But for whatever it's worth this is me with a private student 3 years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh509WKVk2M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh509WKVk2M
  - zarkov99 8y ago
    Your point that martial arts originally came from real, life and death experience is well taken. But wouldn't you agree that when that component is taken out, without the hard sparing needed to keep things honest, any art will tend to degenerate and fall prey to hucksters? See TKD in America for example.
    - sifoobar 8y ago
      I don't buy the idea that we have to pound the crap out of each other in a ring to prove that everyone is honest about their skills. If you want to learn anything, you definitely need to spar; but sparring is not a competition, no one is actually trying to hurt anyone. The more experienced your partner is, the harder you can go without risking injury. TKD suffers from the same sports virus as MMA if you ask me; just a different, less violent and more exotic flavor.
- LouisSayers 8y ago
  Ummm... how is having thumbs pushed into your eyes not devastating?! There are different techniques for different situations. Throat punch, eye gouging are last resort techniques. I don’t know anyone that would sign up to “debunk” these, while there are plenty that’ll happily do some MMA sparring.
kod 8y ago
https://www.jiujitsutimes.com/video-bjj-black-belt-ryan-hall-vs-aggressive-drunk-guy/ https://www.jiujitsutimes.com/video-bjj-black-belt-ryan-hall... https://www.mmamania.com/2018/12/29/18160674/ufc-232-full-fight-video-highlights-ryan-hall-submit-bj-penn-jones-gustafsson-mma-ppv https://www.mmamania.com/2018/12/29/18160674/ufc-232-full-fi... Works in the ring. Works outside of the ring. BJJ isn't defined by rolling around on the ground for minutes, it's defined by the importance of training against resisting opponents safely, which most traditional martial arts cannot or are not willing to do.

zarkov99 8y ago

I am sorry but this eye poke, throat punch nonsense has been debunked over and over again: a) those things are not nearly as devastating as they sound and b) in a fight both people can do it, more so the person who has positional control. Browsing youtube searching for street fights where BJJ is used is pretty illuminating as to exactly how effective it is. Short of MMA there isn't anything else quite as useful, though you are right that getting the hell out is the best option if possible.

sifoobar 8y ago
No it hasn't, because it works. Otherwise they wouldn't be forbidden in the ring, would they? There's plenty of Bullshit Do out there, no doubt. But there is also plenty of useful knowledge and experienced teachers that you miss if you assume that everyone who came before you was a complete idiot. Many martial arts were honed into more or less perfection over hundreds of years by people just as intelligent as you and me, but with generations of experience from actual mortal combat. Living another day is a pretty good motivation for training and evolving. Much of that is still around, but it's not being marketed. Because it's not what most people are looking for, it's too real and ego-killing. Because it's barely allowed; you can't spar out in the open with real knives or swords for example, you'll end up in a cell before you know what happened. And because it's been Disneyfied, by people like Jack Mace and Master Wong. Once you've spent tens of years really training martial arts, as opposed to sports or pretending in silly uniforms; there's not going to be much to prove any more. If there is, you're doing it wrong. I prefer not fighting, people get hurt best case. So I can't really show you anything that looks like MMA, because that's just not how we train. And we don't do competitions; because there are no winners; just two banged up idiots, one happy and one sad. But for whatever it's worth this is me with a private student 3 years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh509WKVk2M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh509WKVk2M
- zarkov99 8y ago
  Your point that martial arts originally came from real, life and death experience is well taken. But wouldn't you agree that when that component is taken out, without the hard sparing needed to keep things honest, any art will tend to degenerate and fall prey to hucksters? See TKD in America for example.
  - sifoobar 8y ago
    I don't buy the idea that we have to pound the crap out of each other in a ring to prove that everyone is honest about their skills. If you want to learn anything, you definitely need to spar; but sparring is not a competition, no one is actually trying to hurt anyone. The more experienced your partner is, the harder you can go without risking injury. TKD suffers from the same sports virus as MMA if you ask me; just a different, less violent and more exotic flavor.
LouisSayers 8y ago
Ummm... how is having thumbs pushed into your eyes not devastating?! There are different techniques for different situations. Throat punch, eye gouging are last resort techniques. I don’t know anyone that would sign up to “debunk” these, while there are plenty that’ll happily do some MMA sparring.

kod 8y ago

https://www.jiujitsutimes.com/video-bjj-black-belt-ryan-hall-vs-aggressive-drunk-guy/ https://www.jiujitsutimes.com/video-bjj-black-belt-ryan-hall... https://www.mmamania.com/2018/12/29/18160674/ufc-232-full-fight-video-highlights-ryan-hall-submit-bj-penn-jones-gustafsson-mma-ppv https://www.mmamania.com/2018/12/29/18160674/ufc-232-full-fi... Works in the ring. Works outside of the ring. BJJ isn't defined by rolling around on the ground for minutes, it's defined by the importance of training against resisting opponents safely, which most traditional martial arts cannot or are not willing to do.