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>I'm not really sure how you can arrive at the conclusion that Apple are holding back; they seem clearly committed to improving privacy as demonstrated by their

>I'm not really sure how you can arrive at the conclusion that Apple are holding back; they seem clearly committed to improving privacy as demonstrated by their continuous work in the area. Given the Apple phone was successfully hacked in the FBI case, I'm not sure why HN seems to think they are the bastion of privacy. Given the other anti-consumer and anti-developer practices at Apple, I wouldn't trust them to protect privacy(today, and in the future when their stock price takes a hit).

JimDabell 8y ago
I was responding to somebody who is under the impression that Apple are purposefully choosing not to protect user privacy. The most powerful government in the world hacking an Apple product in their possession without Apple's consent isn't relevant to that. If anything, the fact that Apple went to court to avoid being compelled to aid them in the endeavour supports what I am saying. I'm not saying that Apple products are 100% impenetrable against nation states; I'm pointing out that Apple are clearly putting serious effort into protecting user privacy. I'm not sure why this is such a foreign concept to so many people. This is something Apple can do that their competitors cannot due to their business models. It's becoming more and more of a concern to customers and the law in many places. Even if you assume Apple are 100% self-serving, this is obviously a valuable differentiator for them to capitalise on.
- jilop 8y ago
  That is illogical. Declining to hand over unwarranted data to LEO is independent of using user data for commercial purposes. Google also has tight security and privacy from government intrusion It's contradictory in fact, because data monetizing companies prefer to control data not leak it, to keep the data's price high.
  - FiveSquared 8y ago
    But you can still buy it and penetrate the severs and ISPs
casefields 8y ago
That iPhone was a 5C which doesn't have the Secure Enclave Processor and is a huge jump in hardware security. There's a reason the FBI rails against Apple even in their public speeches and I assure you it's not because they are insecure. https://www.apple.com/business/site/docs/iOS_Security_Guide.pdf https://www.apple.com/business/site/docs/iOS_Security_Guide....
cheeseomlit 8y ago
Not sure why this is so heavily downvoted, Apple was named as one of the PRISM companies in the Snowden leaks after all.

JimDabell 8y ago

I was responding to somebody who is under the impression that Apple are purposefully choosing not to protect user privacy. The most powerful government in the world hacking an Apple product in their possession without Apple's consent isn't relevant to that. If anything, the fact that Apple went to court to avoid being compelled to aid them in the endeavour supports what I am saying. I'm not saying that Apple products are 100% impenetrable against nation states; I'm pointing out that Apple are clearly putting serious effort into protecting user privacy. I'm not sure why this is such a foreign concept to so many people. This is something Apple can do that their competitors cannot due to their business models. It's becoming more and more of a concern to customers and the law in many places. Even if you assume Apple are 100% self-serving, this is obviously a valuable differentiator for them to capitalise on.

jilop 8y ago
That is illogical. Declining to hand over unwarranted data to LEO is independent of using user data for commercial purposes. Google also has tight security and privacy from government intrusion It's contradictory in fact, because data monetizing companies prefer to control data not leak it, to keep the data's price high.
- FiveSquared 8y ago
  But you can still buy it and penetrate the severs and ISPs

casefields 8y ago

That iPhone was a 5C which doesn't have the Secure Enclave Processor and is a huge jump in hardware security. There's a reason the FBI rails against Apple even in their public speeches and I assure you it's not because they are insecure. https://www.apple.com/business/site/docs/iOS_Security_Guide.pdf https://www.apple.com/business/site/docs/iOS_Security_Guide....

cheeseomlit 8y ago

Not sure why this is so heavily downvoted, Apple was named as one of the PRISM companies in the Snowden leaks after all.