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I'll take the troll bait. So if the US military does it then it's perfectly fine?

by Para2016 8y ago

simplecomplex 8y ago
No, but the narrative being pushed is that China is creepy and authoritarian for using the same tech and doing the same things everyone else is. Maybe it’s just me, but it seems every day similar articles are hitting HN’s front pages .
- fromthestart 8y ago
  Is the U.S. military turning this technology against its own citizens.
  - gaius 8y ago
    The US military from what I've seen takes Posse Commitatus fairly seriously.
    - acct1771 8y ago
      Even the Director of the NSA will tell you that!
- loceng 8y ago
  One significant/important difference between the US and China is you likely won't be able to criticize the program in one country vs. the other.
  - cronix 8y ago
    You can only criticize it, if you're made aware that it's happening. There are cities in the US that have deployed facial recognition technologies without anybody except the mayor (and police) knowing. Not even the city counsel knew. Most of the US was not aware to the extend that they were/are being monitored until Snowden revealed it. > Predictive policing technology has proven highly controversial wherever it is implemented, but in New Orleans, the program escaped public notice, partly because Palantir established it as a philanthropic relationship with the city through Mayor Mitch Landrieu’s signature NOLA For Life program. Thanks to its philanthropic status, as well as New Orleans’ “strong mayor” model of government, the agreement never passed through a public procurement process. https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/27/17054740/palantir-predictive-policing-tool-new-orleans-nopd https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/27/17054740/palantir-predict...
    - unholythree 8y ago
      The local chapter of the ACLU is in an office building across the street from City Hall in New Orleans. I think it's fair to say nothing comperable is the case in any major Chinese city.
- QuantumGood 8y ago
  > "using the same tech and doing the same things" This post on HN would then be a great place to post links supporting that thesis.
- porphyrogene 8y ago
  Facial recognition to identify passengers on public transit or anyone caught on a police officer’s body camera is mentioned in the article. Everyone else is not doing that. Everyone else does not have concentration camps and re-education facilities for Muslims and other rural cultures in mainland China. You are delusional to suggest that China is a victim of the free press. It’s the other way around.
  - simplecomplex 8y ago
    UK has been doing the same thing for the last 10 years... https://www.wired.co.uk/article/face-recognition-police-uk-south-wales-met-notting-hill-carnival https://www.wired.co.uk/article/face-recognition-police-uk-s...
    - porphyrogene 8y ago
      Your ability to be blind to a challenge to your convictions is impressive in its own way.
      - simplecomplex 8y ago
        What conviction? China is an authoritarian state, I’m not disputing that at all. My only conviction is that these articles are upvoted based on anti-Chinese sentiment, not on any real basis for learning something. Especially considering tech like drones and facial recognition aren’t being used by China any differently than how other countries like US, UK, etc. use them.
        porphyrogene 8y ago
        The US, UK and other countries are using facial recognition to round up and re-educate ethnic groups? You have invented a lie of convenience and sold it to yourself. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/08/world/asia/china-uighur-muslim-detention-camp.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/08/world/asia/china-uighur-m...
      - dang 8y ago
- thanatropism 8y ago
  There's really two ways that can be read. One is "in China it's a dystopia, watch out and see how it happens because it could happen here". The other is "in China it's a dystopia, not here. Our bird-cameras are blueish-grey, not greyish-blue". The second-order reaction is to watch out for people who exaggerate the small differences.

I'll take the troll bait. So if the US military does it then it's perfectly fine?

No, but the narrative being pushed is that China is creepy and authoritarian for using the same tech and doing the same things everyone else is. Maybe it’s just me, but it seems every day similar articles are hitting HN’s front pages .

fromthestart 8y ago
Is the U.S. military turning this technology against its own citizens.
- gaius 8y ago
  The US military from what I've seen takes Posse Commitatus fairly seriously.
  - acct1771 8y ago
    Even the Director of the NSA will tell you that!
loceng 8y ago
One significant/important difference between the US and China is you likely won't be able to criticize the program in one country vs. the other.
- cronix 8y ago
  You can only criticize it, if you're made aware that it's happening. There are cities in the US that have deployed facial recognition technologies without anybody except the mayor (and police) knowing. Not even the city counsel knew. Most of the US was not aware to the extend that they were/are being monitored until Snowden revealed it. > Predictive policing technology has proven highly controversial wherever it is implemented, but in New Orleans, the program escaped public notice, partly because Palantir established it as a philanthropic relationship with the city through Mayor Mitch Landrieu’s signature NOLA For Life program. Thanks to its philanthropic status, as well as New Orleans’ “strong mayor” model of government, the agreement never passed through a public procurement process. https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/27/17054740/palantir-predictive-policing-tool-new-orleans-nopd https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/27/17054740/palantir-predict...
  - unholythree 8y ago
    The local chapter of the ACLU is in an office building across the street from City Hall in New Orleans. I think it's fair to say nothing comperable is the case in any major Chinese city.
QuantumGood 8y ago
> "using the same tech and doing the same things" This post on HN would then be a great place to post links supporting that thesis.
porphyrogene 8y ago
Facial recognition to identify passengers on public transit or anyone caught on a police officer’s body camera is mentioned in the article. Everyone else is not doing that. Everyone else does not have concentration camps and re-education facilities for Muslims and other rural cultures in mainland China. You are delusional to suggest that China is a victim of the free press. It’s the other way around.
- simplecomplex 8y ago
  UK has been doing the same thing for the last 10 years... https://www.wired.co.uk/article/face-recognition-police-uk-south-wales-met-notting-hill-carnival https://www.wired.co.uk/article/face-recognition-police-uk-s...
  - porphyrogene 8y ago
    Your ability to be blind to a challenge to your convictions is impressive in its own way.
    - simplecomplex 8y ago
      What conviction? China is an authoritarian state, I’m not disputing that at all. My only conviction is that these articles are upvoted based on anti-Chinese sentiment, not on any real basis for learning something. Especially considering tech like drones and facial recognition aren’t being used by China any differently than how other countries like US, UK, etc. use them.
      - porphyrogene 8y ago
        The US, UK and other countries are using facial recognition to round up and re-educate ethnic groups? You have invented a lie of convenience and sold it to yourself. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/08/world/asia/china-uighur-muslim-detention-camp.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/08/world/asia/china-uighur-m...
    - dang 8y ago
thanatropism 8y ago
There's really two ways that can be read. One is "in China it's a dystopia, watch out and see how it happens because it could happen here". The other is "in China it's a dystopia, not here. Our bird-cameras are blueish-grey, not greyish-blue". The second-order reaction is to watch out for people who exaggerate the small differences.