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Methodologies are just like Martial Arts Types - you have so many varieties to choose from Boxing, TKD, Judo, Muay Thai But in a real fight, you hit with whate

Methodologies are just like Martial Arts Types - you have so many varieties to choose from Boxing, TKD, Judo, Muay Thai But in a real fight, you hit with whatever you can grab onto :)

bobm_kite9 8y ago
Haha nice, brings to mind the Mike Tyson quote: "Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth."
- keypusher 8y ago
  Extensive and rather interesting discussion on variations of the theme "No plan survives contact with the enemy" can be found in military writings going back centuries. An overview is linked below. https://bootcampmilitaryfitnessinstitute.com/military-and-outdoor-fitness-articles/no-plan-survives-contact-with-the-enemy/ https://bootcampmilitaryfitnessinstitute.com/military-and-ou...
- chiefalchemist 8y ago
  Yeah. Great quote. The key it seems, is the team agreeing there's going to be a punch in the mouth, accept that, stick together (i.e., don't panic), find a solution and continue (til the next painful punch). The plan can change, the process for considering change should not. The arc of my point is that the methodology matters (kinda), but more importantly it's that everyone agrees to what the process is and sticks to it. Without such dedication and consistency the methodology doesn't matter, you're gonna come up short.
- 725686 8y ago
  I'd rather go with Eisenhower's "... plans are useless but planning is indispensable".
TheAceOfHearts 8y ago
AFAIK, when they were all made to compete against each other in MMA it quickly became obvious that Brazilian jiu-jitsu was top dog. Although modern MMA definitely takes in the best techniques from each martial arts style. Is agile the Brazilian jiu-jitsu of software development?
- _pmf_ 8y ago
  > Is agile the Brazilian jiu-jitsu of software development? Agile is the franchise karate chain from the 80s: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Hzh9koy7b1E https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Hzh9koy7b1E
- JeremyBanks 8y ago
  BJJ was the top dog twenty years ago, when half of the fighters had no grappling skills. Now that basic grappling skills are standard, BJJ-focused fighters aren't winning very much. It wasn't actually objectively best, it was just the least-bad in an undeveloped field. Maybe the metaphor still works.
  - white-flame 8y ago
    Not really least-bad, probably just most unique. Almost every other style stops and resets after someone hits the ground, so BJJ went where the others didn't. It was the same as Ronda Rousey dominating women's matches when that section of the UFC started up. It doesn't mean that Judo is "better" than the other styles, the other competitors simply didn't know what to do with it, and now they do. It certainly has parallels to trendy new software engineering styles "dominating" the field, though I'm not sure they lead to any more real "victories" compared to actual combat. Just because the time runs out on a software project doesn't mean that anybody actually won.
- sifoobar 8y ago
  The best techniques for MMA, it's still a sport; more realistic than traditional boxing, but then that's a pretty low bar. I've been training martial arts for 25 years and I wouldn't put myself in there for all the money in the world. It's brutally violent, and the most successful fighters are very well trained and don't seem to give a shit about messing their opponents up for life; but it still has nothing to do with martial arts. Wrapping your legs around your opponent's waist and rolling around on the ground for minutes ceases to be a good idea the second you leave the ring. While breaking fingers, ribs, poking eyes, punching throats and kicking knees and groins suddenly become viable options. In most cases; the sooner you can get the hell out of there the better, because the risk of getting into trouble increases fast in a street fight.
mmsimanga 8y ago
:-) Good one. Your analogy applies to all sport. It's all very well having set plays but executing them during a match is another story. Most fans have unrealistic expectations of their sports teams. Most clients have unrealistic expectations of the software development process.
odiroot 8y ago
> But in a real fight, you hit with whatever you can grab onto :) That's Krav Maga, no?

Methodologies are just like Martial Arts Types - you have so many varieties to choose from Boxing, TKD, Judo, Muay Thai But in a real fight, you hit with whatever you can grab onto :)

bobm_kite9 8y ago

Haha nice, brings to mind the Mike Tyson quote: "Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth."

keypusher 8y ago
Extensive and rather interesting discussion on variations of the theme "No plan survives contact with the enemy" can be found in military writings going back centuries. An overview is linked below. https://bootcampmilitaryfitnessinstitute.com/military-and-outdoor-fitness-articles/no-plan-survives-contact-with-the-enemy/ https://bootcampmilitaryfitnessinstitute.com/military-and-ou...
chiefalchemist 8y ago
Yeah. Great quote. The key it seems, is the team agreeing there's going to be a punch in the mouth, accept that, stick together (i.e., don't panic), find a solution and continue (til the next painful punch). The plan can change, the process for considering change should not. The arc of my point is that the methodology matters (kinda), but more importantly it's that everyone agrees to what the process is and sticks to it. Without such dedication and consistency the methodology doesn't matter, you're gonna come up short.
725686 8y ago
I'd rather go with Eisenhower's "... plans are useless but planning is indispensable".

TheAceOfHearts 8y ago

AFAIK, when they were all made to compete against each other in MMA it quickly became obvious that Brazilian jiu-jitsu was top dog. Although modern MMA definitely takes in the best techniques from each martial arts style. Is agile the Brazilian jiu-jitsu of software development?

_pmf_ 8y ago
> Is agile the Brazilian jiu-jitsu of software development? Agile is the franchise karate chain from the 80s: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Hzh9koy7b1E https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Hzh9koy7b1E
JeremyBanks 8y ago
BJJ was the top dog twenty years ago, when half of the fighters had no grappling skills. Now that basic grappling skills are standard, BJJ-focused fighters aren't winning very much. It wasn't actually objectively best, it was just the least-bad in an undeveloped field. Maybe the metaphor still works.
- white-flame 8y ago
  Not really least-bad, probably just most unique. Almost every other style stops and resets after someone hits the ground, so BJJ went where the others didn't. It was the same as Ronda Rousey dominating women's matches when that section of the UFC started up. It doesn't mean that Judo is "better" than the other styles, the other competitors simply didn't know what to do with it, and now they do. It certainly has parallels to trendy new software engineering styles "dominating" the field, though I'm not sure they lead to any more real "victories" compared to actual combat. Just because the time runs out on a software project doesn't mean that anybody actually won.
sifoobar 8y ago
The best techniques for MMA, it's still a sport; more realistic than traditional boxing, but then that's a pretty low bar. I've been training martial arts for 25 years and I wouldn't put myself in there for all the money in the world. It's brutally violent, and the most successful fighters are very well trained and don't seem to give a shit about messing their opponents up for life; but it still has nothing to do with martial arts. Wrapping your legs around your opponent's waist and rolling around on the ground for minutes ceases to be a good idea the second you leave the ring. While breaking fingers, ribs, poking eyes, punching throats and kicking knees and groins suddenly become viable options. In most cases; the sooner you can get the hell out of there the better, because the risk of getting into trouble increases fast in a street fight.

mmsimanga 8y ago

:-) Good one. Your analogy applies to all sport. It's all very well having set plays but executing them during a match is another story. Most fans have unrealistic expectations of their sports teams. Most clients have unrealistic expectations of the software development process.

odiroot 8y ago

> But in a real fight, you hit with whatever you can grab onto :) That's Krav Maga, no?