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> So common that there is not one reliably documented case of it ever happening. Not exactly full of examples up to this very minute, but the history of false

> So common that there is not one reliably documented case of it ever happening. Not exactly full of examples up to this very minute, but the history of false flag operations is long and well documented. I see no reason to think that it isn’t in the playbook for modern world powers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag

wybiral 8y ago
But it's excessive to jump to that conclusion so early in situations like this without evidence that it's even a nation state or that it's not a foreign power if it is.
orf 8y ago
Now here is an actual example of a very, very common strategy > Hyperbolic statement to push a narrative > "Please back that statement up" > Silence, or "Not exactly full of examples up to this very minute"
- tedunangst 8y ago
  We know the conspiracy is real because all the evidence has been covered up.
- fromthestart 8y ago
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Washtub_(Nicaragua) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Washtub_(Nicaragua... Why people continue to put such blind faith in government is beyond me.
  - tptacek 8y ago
    None of those are cyberattacks, which is what I was responding to. I'm not even a little interested in the debate about whether (for instance) Tonkin was a false flag.
  - wybiral 8y ago
    > Why people continue to put such blind faith in government is beyond me. This attitude seems really misanthropic to me. Government is people. Elected people here in the US. Yeah, there have been mistakes and there will continue to be mistakes, but this "burn it all down" response to that fact of reality isn't going to make anything better.

wybiral 8y ago

But it's excessive to jump to that conclusion so early in situations like this without evidence that it's even a nation state or that it's not a foreign power if it is.

orf 8y ago

Now here is an actual example of a very, very common strategy > Hyperbolic statement to push a narrative > "Please back that statement up" > Silence, or "Not exactly full of examples up to this very minute"

tedunangst 8y ago
We know the conspiracy is real because all the evidence has been covered up.
fromthestart 8y ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Washtub_(Nicaragua) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Washtub_(Nicaragua... Why people continue to put such blind faith in government is beyond me.
- tptacek 8y ago
  None of those are cyberattacks, which is what I was responding to. I'm not even a little interested in the debate about whether (for instance) Tonkin was a false flag.
- wybiral 8y ago
  > Why people continue to put such blind faith in government is beyond me. This attitude seems really misanthropic to me. Government is people. Elected people here in the US. Yeah, there have been mistakes and there will continue to be mistakes, but this "burn it all down" response to that fact of reality isn't going to make anything better.