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Honestly systemd is large as a project but most of it is separated and doesn't actually impact you if you don't use it. And BSD people really should not complai

by nickik 8y ago

Honestly systemd is large as a project but most of it is separated and doesn't actually impact you if you don't use it. And BSD people really should not complain about managing to much software in a single project.

Walkman 8y ago
That's starting to be not true. In the beginning, there was just systemd, now starting with bionic, it's components are tied together so much that's it's hard to turn them off or not use it. I liked systemd a lot, but started to understand the complaints when we had a lot of problems with systemd-timesync, systemd-resolved and co...
- slrz 8y ago
  How is it even remotely hard to not use timesyncd or resolved? Just don't enable them (or disable them, if your distro ships them enabled by default) and use your preferred alternatives instead.
  - Walkman 8y ago
    They are enabled by default and you can't simply just disable, some of them will still start. You have to mask them in order to block them entirely. Also it doesn't matter if you have ntpd running, systemd-timesyncd still started for us...
village-idiot 8y ago
They just patched Vim to work correctly with systemd, and it now runs its own DHCP daemon and custom log format. That's not separated.
- ciupicri 8y ago
  What are you talking about?
  - village-idiot 8y ago
    Memory failure, they requested changes to tmux, not vim. This change would've required tmux include libsystemd and connect to dbus, the tmux maintainers declined.
    - ciupicri 8y ago
      So it's about https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11797075 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11797075 / https://github.com/tmux/tmux/issues/428 https://github.com/tmux/tmux/issues/428
- ibotty 8y ago
  Care to link to any patches? I have not been able to find any. The main repository does not mention systemd except for syntax highlighting and ftplugin: https://github.com/vim/vim/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=systemd&type= https://github.com/vim/vim/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=systemd&t...
  - village-idiot 8y ago
    Memory failure, they were asking tmux, not Vim.
sverige 8y ago
> And BSD people really should not complain about managing to much software in a single project. I'm not quite sure what you're referring to here. OpenBSD just keeps getting cleaner and simpler to manage, but I'll admit that maybe I've just gotten more familiar with it over the years. There's definitely nothing like systemd lurking in there, though.

by nickik 8y ago

Walkman 8y ago

That's starting to be not true. In the beginning, there was just systemd, now starting with bionic, it's components are tied together so much that's it's hard to turn them off or not use it. I liked systemd a lot, but started to understand the complaints when we had a lot of problems with systemd-timesync, systemd-resolved and co...

slrz 8y ago
How is it even remotely hard to not use timesyncd or resolved? Just don't enable them (or disable them, if your distro ships them enabled by default) and use your preferred alternatives instead.
- Walkman 8y ago
  They are enabled by default and you can't simply just disable, some of them will still start. You have to mask them in order to block them entirely. Also it doesn't matter if you have ntpd running, systemd-timesyncd still started for us...

village-idiot 8y ago

They just patched Vim to work correctly with systemd, and it now runs its own DHCP daemon and custom log format. That's not separated.

ciupicri 8y ago
What are you talking about?
- village-idiot 8y ago
  Memory failure, they requested changes to tmux, not vim. This change would've required tmux include libsystemd and connect to dbus, the tmux maintainers declined.
  - ciupicri 8y ago
    So it's about https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11797075 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11797075 / https://github.com/tmux/tmux/issues/428 https://github.com/tmux/tmux/issues/428
ibotty 8y ago
Care to link to any patches? I have not been able to find any. The main repository does not mention systemd except for syntax highlighting and ftplugin: https://github.com/vim/vim/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=systemd&type= https://github.com/vim/vim/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=systemd&t...
- village-idiot 8y ago
  Memory failure, they were asking tmux, not Vim.

sverige 8y ago

> And BSD people really should not complain about managing to much software in a single project. I'm not quite sure what you're referring to here. OpenBSD just keeps getting cleaner and simpler to manage, but I'll admit that maybe I've just gotten more familiar with it over the years. There's definitely nothing like systemd lurking in there, though.