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Personally I’m not saying JavaScript “counts” as FP — which is why the post says “unless _you_ count”. ;-) But there are certainly FP subcultures in the JS comm

Personally I’m not saying JavaScript “counts” as FP — which is why the post says “unless _you_ count”. ;-) But there are certainly FP subcultures in the JS community which only use the functional subset: https://github.com/jfmengels/eslint-plugin-fp https://github.com/jfmengels/eslint-plugin-fp https://github.com/fantasyland/fantasy-land https://github.com/fantasyland/fantasy-land https://ramdajs.com/ https://ramdajs.com/ That subculture is what I was referring to. If you’re splitting hairs over such definitions without acknowledging the cultural aspect and use that as a hiring criteria I wouldn’t want to work with you either.

yakshaving_jgt 8y ago
Culture means different things to different people. If a candidate were to suggest they were only interested in the “pragmatic parts of FP”, implying that developing an understanding of category theory is somehow frivolous and not pragmatic (which I think you did earlier), I would acknowledge this as a poor culture fit.
- mlevental 8y ago
  you're arguing with the guy that built redux and he's being nice about it. you think maybe you should reconsider your position?
  - yakshaving_jgt 8y ago
    I’m well aware of who I am addressing. It seems you’re implying we should make special allowances for people depending on how popular they are. My entire point is that I won’t take someone at their name; I completely reject the idea of the “celebrity” programmer. Redux is pretty neat; IIRC it was a state store influenced by Elm and implemented in about 50 lines of JavaScript. But there are plenty of developers — even popular open-source contributors — who don’t have the same anti-intellectual position of rejecting CT because it isn’t “pragmatic”.
    - mlevental 8y ago
      my point is exactly not how popular he is but how accomplished he is and how condescending he could be (since he is so popular and accomplished) and how gracious he is being to you. it's like those movies where someone is starting a fight (giving cause) with a person 10x their size and then the bigger person gracefully declining to batter - it should make you reconsider who's the protagonist...
      - yakshaving_jgt 8y ago
        So yes, you are exactly giving special treatment to someone you perceive to be of greater merit owing to their popularity. Your position is that I should not argue against Dan Abramov because you perceive him to be relatively accomplished. This is an embarrassing point of view. Burn your idols.
    - zbentley 8y ago
      > who don’t have the same anti-intellectual position of rejecting CT because it isn’t “pragmatic” Where are you getting anti-intellectualism, rejection of category theory, or a defense of pragmatism at the expense of either of those things? Who is this directed at? Reading back up this thread, you're the only person referring to those, unless I'm missing an edit somewhere.
      - yakshaving_jgt 8y ago
        You had me worried for a moment; I also couldn't find where I had read that, so I thought either I had misquoted him or he had edited something. But, no. Here it is: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18783434 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18783434

yakshaving_jgt 8y ago

Culture means different things to different people. If a candidate were to suggest they were only interested in the “pragmatic parts of FP”, implying that developing an understanding of category theory is somehow frivolous and not pragmatic (which I think you did earlier), I would acknowledge this as a poor culture fit.

mlevental 8y ago
you're arguing with the guy that built redux and he's being nice about it. you think maybe you should reconsider your position?
- yakshaving_jgt 8y ago
  I’m well aware of who I am addressing. It seems you’re implying we should make special allowances for people depending on how popular they are. My entire point is that I won’t take someone at their name; I completely reject the idea of the “celebrity” programmer. Redux is pretty neat; IIRC it was a state store influenced by Elm and implemented in about 50 lines of JavaScript. But there are plenty of developers — even popular open-source contributors — who don’t have the same anti-intellectual position of rejecting CT because it isn’t “pragmatic”.
  - mlevental 8y ago
    my point is exactly not how popular he is but how accomplished he is and how condescending he could be (since he is so popular and accomplished) and how gracious he is being to you. it's like those movies where someone is starting a fight (giving cause) with a person 10x their size and then the bigger person gracefully declining to batter - it should make you reconsider who's the protagonist...
    - yakshaving_jgt 8y ago
      So yes, you are exactly giving special treatment to someone you perceive to be of greater merit owing to their popularity. Your position is that I should not argue against Dan Abramov because you perceive him to be relatively accomplished. This is an embarrassing point of view. Burn your idols.
  - zbentley 8y ago
    > who don’t have the same anti-intellectual position of rejecting CT because it isn’t “pragmatic” Where are you getting anti-intellectualism, rejection of category theory, or a defense of pragmatism at the expense of either of those things? Who is this directed at? Reading back up this thread, you're the only person referring to those, unless I'm missing an edit somewhere.
    - yakshaving_jgt 8y ago
      You had me worried for a moment; I also couldn't find where I had read that, so I thought either I had misquoted him or he had edited something. But, no. Here it is: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18783434 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18783434