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Greenpeace has made a few high-profile mistakes over the years which unfortunately seem to make more headlines than their protests, research and educational wor

by dpau 8y ago

Greenpeace has made a few high-profile mistakes over the years which unfortunately seem to make more headlines than their protests, research and educational work. The Rainbow Warrior II ending up in a shipbreaking yard is particularly surprising given the fact that Greenpeace International and various Greenpeace country offices have been actively campaigning against unregulated ship breaking yards for a number of years. It's especially sad given the care and consideration given to the resting place of the original Rainbow Warrior, which was rather romantically turned into an artificial reef after the bombing by the French.

gerdesj 8y ago
GP (int al) only have to make one cock up to be publicly vilified. The organisations and institutions they campaign at for change can simply say "whoops" and not suffer too much. "mistakes over the years" is the key phrase that you might contrast to say "deliberate environmental abuse each day" (my words)
- joecool1029 8y ago
  Greenpeace did wonderful work saving the lignite coal industry in Europe by making nuclear public enemy #1. The open pit mines are truly a great improvement over towns and trees. Best part is GP now protests the problem they caused: https://www.npr.org/2018/08/06/635911260/germany-turns-to-brown-coal-to-fill-its-energy-gap https://www.npr.org/2018/08/06/635911260/germany-turns-to-br...
  - fjsolwmv 8y ago
    Greenpeace opposes both coal and nuclear in favor of renewables. Saying they caused coal is ridiculous; they are neutral on coal vs nuclear.
    - joecool1029 8y ago
      > Saying they caused coal is ridiculous Renewables cannot practically replace base load at this time. Name a group that's done more to oppose operating nuclear power plants. Not just planned new construction, GP actively opposes and tries to shutdown operating plants. If you remove nuclear plants you have to replace base load generation with coal. Other than pumping hydro which has its own environmental issues and won't work everywhere... what else do you expect to replace that base load with in most of the world? Rolling blackouts? So yes, I'm quite comfortable in saying they caused increased coal usage in their shortsightedness, with all the baggage it comes along with.

by dpau 8y ago

gerdesj 8y ago

GP (int al) only have to make one cock up to be publicly vilified. The organisations and institutions they campaign at for change can simply say "whoops" and not suffer too much. "mistakes over the years" is the key phrase that you might contrast to say "deliberate environmental abuse each day" (my words)

joecool1029 8y ago
Greenpeace did wonderful work saving the lignite coal industry in Europe by making nuclear public enemy #1. The open pit mines are truly a great improvement over towns and trees. Best part is GP now protests the problem they caused: https://www.npr.org/2018/08/06/635911260/germany-turns-to-brown-coal-to-fill-its-energy-gap https://www.npr.org/2018/08/06/635911260/germany-turns-to-br...
- fjsolwmv 8y ago
  Greenpeace opposes both coal and nuclear in favor of renewables. Saying they caused coal is ridiculous; they are neutral on coal vs nuclear.
  - joecool1029 8y ago
    > Saying they caused coal is ridiculous Renewables cannot practically replace base load at this time. Name a group that's done more to oppose operating nuclear power plants. Not just planned new construction, GP actively opposes and tries to shutdown operating plants. If you remove nuclear plants you have to replace base load generation with coal. Other than pumping hydro which has its own environmental issues and won't work everywhere... what else do you expect to replace that base load with in most of the world? Rolling blackouts? So yes, I'm quite comfortable in saying they caused increased coal usage in their shortsightedness, with all the baggage it comes along with.