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Can you provide specifics on Obama's actions re: Israel and Japan that you find objectionable?

vxNsr 8y ago
Here's one article that explains the final "f u" obama gave to israel: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/23/world/middleeast/israel-benjamin-netanyahu-barack-obama.html https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/23/world/middleeast/israel-b... The constant calls for restraint on Israel's part as Israeli children as young as 6 months were being stabbed to death in their beds by "freedom fighters" lauded by PLO and PA media also comes to mind. The blind eye towards how PLO officials spoke to their own people (bloodthirsty talk of killing all the jews) vs what they said in English (calls for peace if only Israel was willing to compromise). But just googling "Obama and Israel" will give you tons more. Obama's weak stance on NK and china at the expense of Japanese security was seen as failing an ally. I'm wondering if you could provide concrete examples of Trump sabotage. I'm curious mostly because I'm guessing we're gonna see it very differently.
- justin66 8y ago
  Just so nobody else wastes their time I thought I should point out that that NY Times link doesn't support any of the crazy stuff you're saying.
  - vxNsr 8y ago
    Just so we're clear, the NYT article is only about Obama choosing not to veto a resolution condemning Israel. Not sure what I said that was crazy?
  - vxNsr 8y ago
    here you go: https://www.haaretz.com/1.5177456 https://www.haaretz.com/1.5177456 https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4041106,00.html https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4041106,00.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/post/palestinians-celebrate-and-then-reluctantly-denounce-itamar-murders/2011/03/04/ABNZlOV_blog.html?utm_term=.e57bedac3845 https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/post/palesti...
- mr_overalls 8y ago
  For starters, Trump doesn't seem to even comprehend the mutual defense pact that is the foundation of NATO. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/18/world/europe/trump-nato-self-defense-montenegro.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/18/world/europe/trump-nato-s... Apart from that, he was generally a source of chaos at the 2018 NATO summit, 1) demanding that NATO allies increase per-GDP spending ahead of schedule or the US would "go it alone" (and hijacking a meeting already in progress to make these demands), 2) accusing Germany of being "totally controlled" by Russia, 3) and giving a parallel-reality final press conference touting that NATO partners had agreed to significant increases in spending (which said partners denied). https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jul/12/how-trumps-nato-summit-meltdown-unfolded https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jul/12/how-trumps-n...
  - vxNsr 8y ago
    The NYT article is more about him questioning why we should do it, he seemed to understand what mutual defense is, just that he didn't want to commit to it. If you recall the parable of the elephant and the mouse, Trump doesn't see the value of the mouse and thus doesn't wanna commit to helping it without question. at least that's what I gleaned from the article. There is a difference between being "a source of chaos" and actual sabotage of alliances. 1) Still doesn't seem that unfair of a demand. 2) You gotta admit that he had a point that using Russia as a source for oil kinda undermines independence. We ran into the same thing in the 70's, it sucked. 3) Classic Trump. but not sabotage.
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Here's one article that explains the final "f u" obama gave to israel: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/23/world/middleeast/israel-benjamin-netanyahu-barack-obama.html https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/23/world/middleeast/israel-b... The constant calls for restraint on Israel's part as Israeli children as young as 6 months were being stabbed to death in their beds by "freedom fighters" lauded by PLO and PA media also comes to mind. The blind eye towards how PLO officials spoke to their own people (bloodthirsty talk of killing all the jews) vs what they said in English (calls for peace if only Israel was willing to compromise). But just googling "Obama and Israel" will give you tons more. Obama's weak stance on NK and china at the expense of Japanese security was seen as failing an ally. I'm wondering if you could provide concrete examples of Trump sabotage. I'm curious mostly because I'm guessing we're gonna see it very differently.

justin66 8y ago
Just so nobody else wastes their time I thought I should point out that that NY Times link doesn't support any of the crazy stuff you're saying.
- vxNsr 8y ago
  Just so we're clear, the NYT article is only about Obama choosing not to veto a resolution condemning Israel. Not sure what I said that was crazy?
- vxNsr 8y ago
  here you go: https://www.haaretz.com/1.5177456 https://www.haaretz.com/1.5177456 https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4041106,00.html https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4041106,00.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/post/palestinians-celebrate-and-then-reluctantly-denounce-itamar-murders/2011/03/04/ABNZlOV_blog.html?utm_term=.e57bedac3845 https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/post/palesti...
mr_overalls 8y ago
For starters, Trump doesn't seem to even comprehend the mutual defense pact that is the foundation of NATO. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/18/world/europe/trump-nato-self-defense-montenegro.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/18/world/europe/trump-nato-s... Apart from that, he was generally a source of chaos at the 2018 NATO summit, 1) demanding that NATO allies increase per-GDP spending ahead of schedule or the US would "go it alone" (and hijacking a meeting already in progress to make these demands), 2) accusing Germany of being "totally controlled" by Russia, 3) and giving a parallel-reality final press conference touting that NATO partners had agreed to significant increases in spending (which said partners denied). https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jul/12/how-trumps-nato-summit-meltdown-unfolded https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jul/12/how-trumps-n...
- vxNsr 8y ago
  The NYT article is more about him questioning why we should do it, he seemed to understand what mutual defense is, just that he didn't want to commit to it. If you recall the parable of the elephant and the mouse, Trump doesn't see the value of the mouse and thus doesn't wanna commit to helping it without question. at least that's what I gleaned from the article. There is a difference between being "a source of chaos" and actual sabotage of alliances. 1) Still doesn't seem that unfair of a demand. 2) You gotta admit that he had a point that using Russia as a source for oil kinda undermines independence. We ran into the same thing in the 70's, it sucked. 3) Classic Trump. but not sabotage.
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